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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/when-a-liberal-deserves-a-beat-down/comment-page-1/#comment-124707</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never said my service makes me more patriotic only that I have proved my patriotism.

Voter registration fraud leads to voter fraud.  And if there is so little fraud why do liberals cry so much when they lose.  After 2000 all I heard from liberals was the massive fraud and the stolen election.  You can&#039;t have it both ways.

I will not denigrate your service, if you served, unless you were dishonorable.  

Perhaps you should read the law.  The SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Dems in Ohio based on a technicality.  The people who brought the suit had no standing.  They never said it was right or wrong, only that the people who brought the suit had no standing to do it.

Why did we not have any problems when Bill Clinton fired all the US attorneys which included those investigating his dealings in Arkansas before he was elected?

They serve at will and can be fired at will regardless of the reason.

I do not believe in disenfranchising citizens, only ensuring those who are not allowed to vote don&#039;t and those who do vote only do so once.

Say what you want but this happens all the time.  How many New Yorkers voted in New York and then in Florida while they were at their winter homes?  How many made the election so close.

If you want disenfranchisement why did the major networks call Florida for Gore when the polls were still open in the panhandle, a heavily Republican area where tens of thousands of people left the lines after hearing?  What about the military and the votes not counted especially in PA and FL?

I would rather lose an election than see people who are allowed to vote denied their vote but I will not stand for fraud.

How about a mandatory 5 year sentence for anyone who registers fraudulently (including those who register them) or who vote fraudulently with no appeal.

The process needs to be difficult enough that illegals can&#039;t vote.  Millions of them will in this election because of motor voter where they just have to check a box saying they are a citizen.  

Shouldn&#039;t you have to prove you are a citizen before you register?

Do me a favor Ice, attempt to club the old woman in my neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never said my service makes me more patriotic only that I have proved my patriotism.</p>
<p>Voter registration fraud leads to voter fraud.  And if there is so little fraud why do liberals cry so much when they lose.  After 2000 all I heard from liberals was the massive fraud and the stolen election.  You can&#8217;t have it both ways.</p>
<p>I will not denigrate your service, if you served, unless you were dishonorable.  </p>
<p>Perhaps you should read the law.  The SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Dems in Ohio based on a technicality.  The people who brought the suit had no standing.  They never said it was right or wrong, only that the people who brought the suit had no standing to do it.</p>
<p>Why did we not have any problems when Bill Clinton fired all the US attorneys which included those investigating his dealings in Arkansas before he was elected?</p>
<p>They serve at will and can be fired at will regardless of the reason.</p>
<p>I do not believe in disenfranchising citizens, only ensuring those who are not allowed to vote don&#8217;t and those who do vote only do so once.</p>
<p>Say what you want but this happens all the time.  How many New Yorkers voted in New York and then in Florida while they were at their winter homes?  How many made the election so close.</p>
<p>If you want disenfranchisement why did the major networks call Florida for Gore when the polls were still open in the panhandle, a heavily Republican area where tens of thousands of people left the lines after hearing?  What about the military and the votes not counted especially in PA and FL?</p>
<p>I would rather lose an election than see people who are allowed to vote denied their vote but I will not stand for fraud.</p>
<p>How about a mandatory 5 year sentence for anyone who registers fraudulently (including those who register them) or who vote fraudulently with no appeal.</p>
<p>The process needs to be difficult enough that illegals can&#8217;t vote.  Millions of them will in this election because of motor voter where they just have to check a box saying they are a citizen.  </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t you have to prove you are a citizen before you register?</p>
<p>Do me a favor Ice, attempt to club the old woman in my neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: ice9</title>
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		<dc:creator>ice9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no voter fraud.  It&#039;s a fabrication, part of a widespread effort to disenfranchise poorer voters, presumed to be democrats.  That&#039;s clear, and Dog, that&#039;s unpatriotic, dishonorable, despicable, and unconstitutional.  Read a freakin&#039; book, for god&#039;s sake.  The whole ACORN meme is bogus; registration fraud is reasonably common and comes from simple human greed but voter fraud is (I love this one):  &quot;Vanishingly small&quot;.  Google them if you dare.
  I&#039;d accept that there is probably a lot more reg fraud on the ACORN side--because there&#039;s a long and well documented history of vote suppression, and because vote suppression works.  The attorney general, a hack moron, resigned over the firing of us attorneys because they--republicans all--refused to go along with the false tactic of finding vote fraud.  There were less than a hundred indictments in the past four years for voter fraud in federal elections...and dozens of acquittals.  It&#039;s a crime with no payoff and a very high likelihood of discovery (despite the utterly bogus contention on the right, and here, that it&#039;s widespread and undiscovered.)  

The purpose of this movement is to position the far barking-mad right for their role as obstructionists when some reasonable people (with education and half a brain) get control of the executive.  Secondary purpose is to create the grounds for disputation and appeal of states like Ohio.  What&#039;s more unpatriotic than contesting a victory?  Return to the &quot;Sore Loserman&quot; scenario in Florida.  You will know the hypocrites because they will argue anything, no matter how completely they contradict themselves.

Facts are inconvenient.  I commend Adam for a clean and thoughtful argument, and a clear victory even in Dog&#039;s own space.  Funny how the dogster always plays the &quot;I was serving when you were sperm&quot; card.  I&#039;ll happily add my voice:  your service is irrelevant to an argument about voter registration practices.  Being a veteran doesn&#039;t make you any more patriotic than the next yo, just like wearing a flag pin doesn&#039;t make you a patriot.  We all know plenty of people who served but also betrayed that trust.  George W. Bush and Saxby Chambliss committed the same sin as Adam:  they dared to accuse a vet of being unpatriotic.  We all now--finally--see the dishonor in their tactics; the dog does not, because his vacuous notions have nothing else but a blustery sense of self-importance attached to military service a long time ago (and evidently little study since.)  
You are equally foolish whether you served or not.  And I&#039;d like you to take a guess whether I did, and you&#039;ll see the problem.  If I did, then you&#039;ll call me a traitor; if I didn&#039;t you&#039;ll attempt to disenfranchise me as a liberal or a coward or something, anything, so you won&#039;t have to face the bankruptcy of your &quot;beliefs&quot;.  You want to weigh in on vets or the tactical situation you experienced, go ahead, but the notion of shamelessly tinkering with the system--which is in fact constitutional, or why would the Supreme Court rule on the Ohio case?  Are they not a constitutional court?--it&#039;s shameful and deeply unpatriotic.  The pathetic Michele Bachmann should put you on her anti-american list.  To disenfranchise citizens is among the most un-american things I can think of, and you are bought in and participating.  

Reason has added another arch-right Republican talking point on Acorn:  that they are overwhelming the system.  This is pure bunk.  Moments ago right-wing morons were screeching about Brunner being a partisan--a democrat, so she must subvert her office&#039;s mission to political considerations; doesn&#039;t everybody?--but she was &quot;confident&quot; that the registrations would be ready for election day--until a republican lawsuit intended to--what exactly?   It was the tactic of the republican vote challengers to have ready lists--to back up their profiling and focusing on low-income and black areas--and challenge everybody they could.  STATED PURPOSE in their documents, now public:  to slow down the vote, to stall the process, to intimidate voters, usually timid first timers.  ALL who register by a proxy (ie ACORN) MUST show ID at the polls the first time--federal law!

Damn, I&#039;m worked up.  I need to go out and club another McCain old lady with a bag of bogus registration cards and a Quran.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no voter fraud.  It&#8217;s a fabrication, part of a widespread effort to disenfranchise poorer voters, presumed to be democrats.  That&#8217;s clear, and Dog, that&#8217;s unpatriotic, dishonorable, despicable, and unconstitutional.  Read a freakin&#8217; book, for god&#8217;s sake.  The whole ACORN meme is bogus; registration fraud is reasonably common and comes from simple human greed but voter fraud is (I love this one):  &#8220;Vanishingly small&#8221;.  Google them if you dare.<br />
  I&#8217;d accept that there is probably a lot more reg fraud on the ACORN side&#8211;because there&#8217;s a long and well doc**ented history of vote suppression, and because vote suppression works.  The attorney general, a hack moron, resigned over the firing of us attorneys because they&#8211;republicans all&#8211;refused to go along with the false tactic of finding vote fraud.  There were less than a hundred indictments in the past four years for voter fraud in federal elections&#8230;and dozens of acquittals.  It&#8217;s a crime with no payoff and a very high likelihood of discovery (despite the utterly bogus contention on the right, and here, that it&#8217;s widespread and undiscovered.)  </p>
<p>The purpose of this movement is to position the far barking-mad right for their role as obstructionists when some reasonable people (with education and half a brain) get control of the executive.  Secondary purpose is to create the grounds for disputation and appeal of states like Ohio.  What&#8217;s more unpatriotic than contesting a victory?  Return to the &#8220;Sore Loserman&#8221; scenario in Florida.  You will know the hypocrites because they will argue anything, no matter how completely they contradict themselves.</p>
<p>Facts are inconvenient.  I commend Adam for a clean and thoughtful argument, and a clear victory even in Dog&#8217;s own space.  Funny how the dogster always plays the &#8220;I was serving when you were sperm&#8221; card.  I&#8217;ll happily add my voice:  your service is irrelevant to an argument about voter registration practices.  Being a veteran doesn&#8217;t make you any more patriotic than the next yo, just like wearing a flag pin doesn&#8217;t make you a patriot.  We all know plenty of people who served but also betrayed that trust.  George W. Bush and Saxby Chambliss committed the same sin as Adam:  they dared to accuse a vet of being unpatriotic.  We all now&#8211;finally&#8211;see the dishonor in their tactics; the dog does not, because his vacuous notions have nothing else but a blustery sense of self-importance attached to military service a long time ago (and evidently little study since.)<br />
You are equally foolish whether you served or not.  And I&#8217;d like you to take a guess whether I did, and you&#8217;ll see the problem.  If I did, then you&#8217;ll call me a traitor; if I didn&#8217;t you&#8217;ll attempt to disenfranchise me as a liberal or a coward or something, anything, so you won&#8217;t have to face the bankruptcy of your &#8220;beliefs&#8221;.  You want to weigh in on vets or the tactical situation you experienced, go ahead, but the notion of shamelessly tinkering with the system&#8211;which is in fact constitutional, or why would the Supreme Court rule on the Ohio case?  Are they not a constitutional court?&#8211;it&#8217;s shameful and deeply unpatriotic.  The pathetic Michele Bachmann should put you on her anti-american list.  To disenfranchise citizens is among the most un-american things I can think of, and you are bought in and participating.  </p>
<p>Reason has added another arch-right Republican talking point on Acorn:  that they are overwhelming the system.  This is pure bunk.  Moments ago right-wing morons were screeching about Brunner being a partisan&#8211;a democrat, so she must subvert her office&#8217;s mission to political considerations; doesn&#8217;t everybody?&#8211;but she was &#8220;confident&#8221; that the registrations would be ready for election day&#8211;until a republican lawsuit intended to&#8211;what exactly?   It was the tactic of the republican vote challengers to have ready lists&#8211;to back up their profiling and focusing on low-income and black areas&#8211;and challenge everybody they could.  STATED PURPOSE in their doc**ents, now public:  to slow down the vote, to stall the process, to intimidate voters, usually timid first timers.  ALL who register by a proxy (ie ACORN) MUST show ID at the polls the first time&#8211;federal law!</p>
<p>Damn, I&#8217;m worked up.  I need to go out and club another McCain old lady with a bag of bogus registration cards and a Quran.</p>
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		<title>By: Reason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Adam seems to miss is when the people performing voter registration are overwhelmed with thousands upon thousands of voter registration requests, which is the tactic ACORN uses, it increases the margin of error. People wonder about all the &quot;Mickey Mouse, Ifeel Good, etc.&quot; but they aren&#039;t intended to be serious registrations, they are there to bog the system down, to overwhelm it, to tire out those processing the voter registration cards so that the guy who registers in 5 different counties slips through. So that dead people get sent absentee ballots. In order to commit voter fraud you must first commit voter registration fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Adam seems to miss is when the people performing voter registration are overwhelmed with thousands upon thousands of voter registration requests, which is the tactic ACORN uses, it increases the margin of error. People wonder about all the &#8220;Mickey Mouse, Ifeel Good, etc.&#8221; but they aren&#8217;t intended to be serious registrations, they are there to bog the system down, to overwhelm it, to tire out those processing the voter registration cards so that the guy who registers in 5 different counties slips through. So that dead people get sent absentee ballots. In order to commit voter fraud you must first commit voter registration fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize there are some idiots out there so let me be clear.  Open season is on those who become physical.  If you are attacked, take them down.  that is what the post says.  It does not advocate attacking because people hold differing views.  It advocates protecting yourself from people who get physical.

So if you read my comments elsewhere, be sure to pay attention (unlike the morons) where it says &quot;Any liberal who &lt;strong&gt;gets physical&lt;/strong&gt; gets taken down...&quot;

Yes, there is room in society for people who hold this view.  What we have no room for is those who use violence and intimidation to advance the candidate of their choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize there are some idiots out there so let me be clear.  Open season is on those who become physical.  If you are attacked, take them down.  that is what the post says.  It does not advocate attacking because people hold differing views.  It advocates protecting yourself from people who get physical.</p>
<p>So if you read my comments elsewhere, be sure to pay attention (unlike the morons) where it says &#8220;Any liberal who <strong>gets physical</strong> gets taken down&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, there is room in society for people who hold this view.  What we have no room for is those who use violence and intimidation to advance the candidate of their choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Martin, I regret that it degraded that way as well.  usually Adam and I have civil conversations though he is a liberal, he usually has a good head on his shoulders.  he is just wrong in his beliefs.  It comes from having your head filled with liberal mush in college.

I should have taken the high road but I do not believe my patriotism is in question nor will it ever be.  I swore to protect against all enemies foreign and domestic.  Obama and his ilk are domestic enemies.  If he wins i will be keeping close tabs on everything he does.

Of course, liberals will ignore anything he does that is wrong.  the same liberals who have a heart attack when george Bush farts will excuse anything Obama does.

Not me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin, I regret that it degraded that way as well.  usually Adam and I have civil conversations though he is a liberal, he usually has a good head on his shoulders.  he is just wrong in his beliefs.  It comes from having your head filled with liberal mush in college.</p>
<p>I should have taken the high road but I do not believe my patriotism is in question nor will it ever be.  I swore to protect against all enemies foreign and domestic.  Obama and his ilk are domestic enemies.  If he wins i will be keeping close tabs on everything he does.</p>
<p>Of course, liberals will ignore anything he does that is wrong.  the same liberals who have a heart attack when george Bush farts will excuse anything Obama does.</p>
<p>Not me.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Altizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Altizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 02:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too bad that the &#039;conversation&#039; between you and Adam degenerated the way it did, but...You are right in every comment about Constitutional law, anD Adam shows himself to be a whiner who dodges the issues and uses &quot;factoids&quot; (read Hitlerian-style falsehoods, repeaed until blah blah blah)
Note tha Dama did NOT refute your statement that he was (probably) not an armed forces veteran. It is a matter of fact that Obama is not. If I were to qualify voters, I would do as Heinlein suggested in Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie) that you must a discharged veteran to be allowed the franchise. Prove your patriotism, show willingness to shed your blood or sacrafice your life for your country.
If you&#039;re to chickenshit to show your valor , stand off about 800 meters. I could use some target practice. You&#039;ll never hear it coming... 54/0 sums that up. Do you understand those figures, Adam? In service to my country...nuff said!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad that the &#8216;conversation&#8217; between you and Adam degenerated the way it did, but&#8230;You are right in every comment about Constitutional law, anD Adam shows himself to be a whiner who dodges the issues and uses &#8220;factoids&#8221; (read Hitlerian-style falsehoods, repeaed until blah blah blah)<br />
Note tha Dama did NOT refute your statement that he was (probably) not an armed forces veteran. It is a matter of fact that Obama is not. If I were to qualify voters, I would do as Heinlein suggested in Starship Troopers (the book, not the movie) that you must a discharged veteran to be allowed the franchise. Prove your patriotism, show willingness to shed your blood or sacrafice your life for your country.<br />
If you&#8217;re to chickens*** to show your valor , stand off about 800 meters. I could use some target practice. You&#8217;ll never hear it coming&#8230; 54/0 sums that up. Do you understand those figures, Adam? In service to my country&#8230;nuff said!</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it is not grade school.  If it were I would not be talking to you since when I was in grade school you were a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it is not grade school.  If it were I would not be talking to you since when I was in grade school you were a thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh brother...man up?  What is this?  Gradeschool?  You&#039;re a fool and this conversation has run it&#039;s course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh brother&#8230;man up?  What is this?  Gradeschool?  You&#8217;re a fool and this conversation has run it&#8217;s course&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And therein lies the problem with liberals.  They don&#039;t care about service to the country, only how easy they can make it to defraud America.

It should not be so easy to vote that people can scam the system but you are too ignorant to see that.

It is easy for you to man up and question my patriotism over the Internet.  I expect that from the fringe elements who are more mouth than bravery.  I never would have expected you to run off with words you know you would not say to my face.

I pity you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And therein lies the problem with liberals.  They don&#8217;t care about service to the country, only how easy they can make it to defraud America.</p>
<p>It should not be so easy to vote that people can scam the system but you are too ignorant to see that.</p>
<p>It is easy for you to man up and question my patriotism over the Internet.  I expect that from the fringe elements who are more mouth than bravery.  I never would have expected you to run off with words you know you would not say to my face.</p>
<p>I pity you.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen up, chump.  I don&#039;t care how many years you served in the military or how much you think you love this country.  I&#039;ll call your love of this country into question ANY and EVERY time I see you make a statement like this: &quot;It should be hard to vote you moron.&quot;  You should absolutely be ashamed of that viewpoint and I feel sorry for you just knowing that&#039;s the way you feel...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen up, chump.  I don&#8217;t care how many years you served in the military or how much you think you love this country.  I&#8217;ll call your love of this country into question ANY and EVERY time I see you make a statement like this: &#8220;It should be hard to vote you moron.&#8221;  You should absolutely be ashamed of that viewpoint and I feel sorry for you just knowing that&#8217;s the way you feel&#8230;</p>
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