Traitors, Travelers, and Thugs, Oh My!

I’m having my coffee, looking out my window at the freest, most peaceful country on Earth, wondering how someone, anyone could think about changing our form of government in such a wholesale fashion. I find it hard to believe that people would have the hate for what has, regardless of who you are, been the best country ever. Oh, not that there are not things that can be done better, but at least we try- which is more than can be said for others. 

Listen, if you seriously believe another country is a better fit for you, I strongly encourage you to go- just go, and don’t let the doorknob hit you in the ass on the way out. Our forefathers thought long and hard about the best form of representative government they could think of, and came up with our Republic. 

That is right, this is a Republic, not exactly a democracy in the truest sense of the word- we elect representatives to do the will of the people, and be our voice in Congress. Well, they are going off of the reservation, and in some cases, they are openly saying they will oppose the will of the people because they believe they know best. What ignorant arrogance.

Our form of government has lasted 233 years, more than any other.

Communism lasted 75 years.

Fascism lasts an average of 15 years.

Socialism has never worked- even as a “government within a government”, as is the case in The United Kingdom, or Canada.

People who want to change our form of government are traitors, plain and simple. They know they are traitors, but they were elected or appointed under a deceptive agenda, wonderfully vague and simplistic. “Change and Hope”- ooooh- that almost makes a thrill go up my leg, except I have a BS meter, and the needle has pegged out in the red.

You see, this brouhaha is not really about the Healthcare, or the Cap and Tax, or the TARP, or even the financial bailouts. This is about “engendering a sense of urgency”, so that these incremental little changes, like a snare, can be drawn gradually around the populace, encircling and ensnaring them until the populace is trapped into this socialist existence, forever to be doomed to a life of reduced expectations, and a third- world existence.

And all while the political elites live high on the hog- because make no mistake about this- they will refuse to live as you or I are forced to do. They will say that they must live better, so that they can make the decisions for you and me. It will be their “duty” to live better, you see.

Just as Al Gore justifies using his private jet, and his fleet of SUVs, all in the name of promoting “Global Warming”, ( I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around that hypocrisy), so these “leaders” will seek to justify their excesses, even as they deny you your rightful earnings.

The lies are profound, and yet the left denies the reality- just don’t look directly at it or the deception will blind you.

Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the Weather Underground, a radical organization from the 70s is a friend of Nobama- but the co- founder of the Weather Underground, Jeffery Jones, now heads up the Apollo Alliance, along with Van Jones, an avowed Communist and self- described radical. The Apollo Alliance helped write the Healthcare bill, along with the SEIU, the union that stands to benefit the most if this passes. I would love to know where the FBI was during the vetting process for Van Jones- in the normal order of things, this twice- arrested  thug would not be let into the rotunda, much less be an advisor, or “Czar”.

Cass Sunstein, along with Mark Lloyd, the “Diversity” Czar, are seeking ways to control and shut down, (if they wish) the Internet- which has far too much truth to suit them. They feel that unregulated “truth” might be harmful, so in addition to silencing dissent on talk radio, and TV networks (except for the ‘Igor” networks that already do Nobama’s bidding), they also seek to control the Internet.

Sounds like Venezuela, or Russia, or China- any one of those three we should not emulate. At least, so you would think- but Mark Lloyd seems to admire that pig of a dictator,  Hugo Chavez, so Mr. Lloyd thinks whatever Chavez did is just awesome, dude.

These people have been laying the groundwork for years, as I have said, slowly and quietly installing the base for their programs, like the “Community Reinvestment Act” under that well known socialist Jiminy Carter. He will forever be a traitor to me, and he is the single most prevalent reason I became a conservative.

Then there is the resistance to regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and others- and make no mistake, it is their fault more than anyone else’s.  They kept President Bush and his cadre from installing regulations that might have reined in the worst of the excesses.

Now it’s Cash for Clunkers- the same thing, just get people in more debt- soon to come to a neighborhood near you, Cash for clunkin’ refrigerators- I couldn’t make this up.

So where’s the emergency? Oh, I know it’s coming, the situation they will use to clamp down on society and attempt to consolidate their control. It’s coming, of that you can be sure. Henry Kissinger once said, “Just because you are paranoid, does not mean people are not after you.” 

I do not think I am wrong. I think there are going to be a bunch of my liberal friends going, “What happened? This is not what I voted for.” No kidding- that is the exact reason that Nobama was so vague and refused to be specific- “Hope and Change”- yeah, right.

The more things change, the more hope we will lose.

2010 is up to us.
Blake

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36 Responses to “Traitors, Travelers, and Thugs, Oh My!”

  1. Darrel says:

    BLK: “looking out my window at the freest,”

    DAR
    See that myth dismantled here.

    If your so free, why can’t you go to Cuba?

    In freedom of the press, the US ranks 17th.

    A dozen countries offer more freedom to gays.

    etc.

    BLK: most peaceful country on Earth,>>

    DAR
    This is studied carefully and we have a measurement of this. The most peaceful country, this year, is New Zealand. Out of about 140 countries, the US comes in embarrasingly low compared to similar peer countries. 83rd place.

    Norway – 2
    Denmark – 3
    Austria – 5
    Sweden – 6
    Japan – 7
    Canada – 8

    BLK: Al Gore justifies using his private jet,>>

    DAR
    Al Gore doesn’t have a private jet. Al Gore has never had a private jet.

    BLK: and his fleet of SUVs,>>

    DAR
    Al Gore doesn’t have a fleet of SUV’s.

    BLK: “the “Diversity” Czar, are seeking ways to control and shut down, (if they wish) the Internet”>>

    DAR
    No they aren’t.

    BLK: “that pig of a dictator, Hugo Chavez”>>

    DAR
    Hugo Chavez was democratically elected in 1998 with 56% of the vote.

    It seems to me that if you had good arguments for your beliefs you would use those rather than appeal to a constant stream of insultingly false information.

    D.

    • Blake says:

      I have said it before D- if you do not like it here, YOU ARE REMARKABLY FREE to go elsewhere, like perhaps Canada, where you love the waiting lines for healthcare.

    • Mike Radigan says:

      DAR
      This is studied carefully and we have a measurement of this. The most peaceful country, this year, is New Zealand. Out of about 140 countries, the US comes in embarrasingly low compared to similar peer countries. 83rd place.
      Norway – 2
      Denmark – 3
      Austria – 5
      Sweden – 6
      Japan – 7
      Canada – 8

      That is one of the most misleading pieces of BS I have ever seen. New Zealand! Give me a break. It is about an isolated country as there is. Too bad Antarctica is not a country. There we have a whole continent ahead of New Zealand. Good that it is just this year as then Austria and Japan don’t count WWII. The U.S. ranks low because it’s been the world protector. Argue what you will but don’t leave that out.

      DAR
      Al Gore doesn’t have a private jet. Al Gore has never had a private jet.

      Darrel, you are the one who likes to post links. Search Google both web and images for “Al Gore private jet”.

      • Darrel says:

        MIKE: “The U.S. ranks low because it’s been the world protector.>>

        DAR
        No, being a “protector” is not incompatible with peace. The US scores low on such an objective measurement… for rather obvious reasons.

        You say this measurement is “misleading” but careful readers will note that you don’t give any reasons or examples.

        MIKE: ““Al Gore private jet”.>>

        DAR
        You seem to wish to make the case that Al Gore is a hypocrite. Let me show you how to begin. To support this conclusion you need to show the truth of these premises:

        a) Al Gore has said people should not fly in jets, or private jets.

        b) Al Gore has a private jet

        I don’t think you can support either one of these. Perhaps you would like to try.

        D.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          Darrel, I don’t even know where to begin. I gave the example of New Zealand compared with Antarctica. New Zealand is number one because it has no neighbors, period. Austria and Japan, WWII. And Canada would be equal with New Zealand if it didn’t supply a few troops to the UN. It only shares a border with the US, no war there. This argument is akin to saying any large urban area has more crime (even per capita) than an isolated rural area. Pleeeeze!

          Al Gore flying a non commercial jet video:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq0IxwBKLFQ

          For a still photo take your pick:

          http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&hl=en&sa=3&q=al+gore+private+jet&btnG=Search+images

        • Darrel says:

          MK: “Darrel, I don’t even know where to begin.>>

          DAR
          That’s pretty obvious.

          MK: I gave the example of New Zealand compared with Antarctica.>>

          DAR
          Antarctica isn’t a country, so it’s not in the running, and not relevant.

          MK: New Zealand is number one because it has no neighbors, period.>>

          DAR
          It’s not clear why you think proximity to a neighbor would have anything whatsoever to do with a countries “peacefulness.” (Hint: it doesn’t)
          Incidentally, New Zealand also ranks highly in categories such as:

          “human development, quality of life, life expectancy, literacy, public education, peace, prosperity, economic freedom, ease of doing business, lack of corruption, press freedom,…”

          MK: Austria and Japan, WWII.>>

          DAR
          If Blake was making his claim 70 years ago, you would have a point. Since he was looking out his window and dreaming about his “most peaceful country on earth” yesterday, you don’t.

          MK: And Canada would be equal with New Zealand if it didn’t supply a few troops to the UN.>>

          DAR
          It’s not clear why you think a country donating peace-keeping forces to the UN would hurt a countries rating in a measurement of it’s “peacefulness.” That’s backwards.

          MK: It only shares a border with the US, no war there.>>

          DAR
          Right. So there goes your assertion about countries being hurt on the scale because of distance from other countries. Canada is ranked 8, the US, 83rd.

          MK: Al Gore flying a non commercial jet video:>>

          DAR
          The claim I was addressing had nothing to do with whether Al Gore has ever flown in a non-commercial jet.

          You have yet to show that Mr. Gore has said people shouldn’t fly in jets, private or otherwise.

          I gave you two premises you need to support if you want to even begin to get your charge of hypocrisy off the ground. You need *both* of them and you don’t even attempt to support either one of them.

          Incidentally, even if you could show he has a private jet (you can’t), or that he has claimed people shouldn’t fly in jets (he hasn’t), your argument would still be undermined by the fact that he purchases carbon offsets to compensate for the carbon he does use.

          But you didn’t even make it that far.

          D.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          DAR: That’s pretty obvious.

          That’s it, Darrel, resort to name calling when you cannot make your argument.

          MK: I gave the example of New Zealand compared with Antarctica.
          DAR: Antarctica isn’t a country, so it’s not in the running, and not relevant.

          Can you comprehend anything? I stated Antarctica isn’t a country. The example was its remoteness. Makes it a tad tougher to engage your neighbors in war.

          MK: New Zealand is number one because it has no neighbors, period.
          DAR It’s not clear why you think proximity to a neighbor would have anything whatsoever to do with a countries “peacefulness.” (Hint: it doesn’t)

          Yes, it does. Again, no neighbors to have a war with.

          MK: Austria and Japan, WWII.
          DAR: If Blake was making his claim 70 years ago, you would have a point. Since he was looking out his window and dreaming about his “most peaceful country on earth” yesterday, you don’t.

          They have chosen isolation in response to their participation in WWII.

          MK: And Canada would be equal with New Zealand if it didn’t supply a few troops to the UN.
          DAR: It’s not clear why you think a country donating peace-keeping forces to the UN would hurt a countries rating in a measurement of it’s “peacefulness.” That’s backwards.

          No it’s not. By doing so Canada is participating in a war.

          MK: Al Gore flying a non commercial jet video:
          DAR The claim I was addressing had nothing to do with whether Al Gore has ever flown in a non-commercial jet. You have yet to show that Mr. Gore has said people shouldn’t fly in jets, private or otherwise. I gave you two premises you need to support if you want to even begin to get your charge of hypocrisy off the ground. You need *both* of them and you don’t even attempt to support either one of them. Incidentally, even if you could show he has a private jet (you can’t), or that he has claimed people shouldn’t fly in jets (he hasn’t), your argument would still be undermined by the fact that he purchases carbon offsets to compensate for the carbon he does use. But you didn’t even make it that far.

          His hypocrisy is advocating against global warming and then using private jets, burning more fuel. So he can afford to buy carbon offsets. That makes it OK. I don’t think so.

          And since YOU reverted to name calling with your pretty obvious comment I have to ask you why you are living here? The only thing I can think of is Canada must be rationing pianos so there are none to tune. Talk about hypocrisy! You chose to leave your beloved Canada live in the U.S. and then bash the U.S. Why don’t you go home?

        • Darrel says:

          DAR: That’s pretty obvious.>>
          MK: That’s it, Darrel, resort to name calling when you cannot make your argument.>>

          DAR
          Name calling? What name did I call you? Do tell. Actually, you said you didn’t know where to begin and I simply agreed with you.

          MK: I stated Antarctica isn’t a country.>>

          DAR
          Good for you. Then you should know how profoundly stupid it would be to bring up a continent when discussing ratings of “countries.”

          MK: The example was its remoteness.>>

          DAR
          Since it’s a continent and not a country, it’s remoteness is irrelevant.

          Hey Mike, Denmark ranks #2. It’s surrounded by countries. Last I checked, Canada was just as far from the US, as the US is from Canada. Yet the rankings are #8 and #83 respectively. And of course Australia is just as remote as New Zealand. Obviously, “remoteness” is a canard and has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

          MK: [Austria and Japan] have chosen isolation in response to their participation in WWII.>>

          DAR
          Japan, the second largest economy in the world, has “chosen isolation?” That’s a good one. Actually, they have just chosen to be peaceful.

          MK: By doing so [supply a few troops to the UN] Canada is participating in a war.>>

          DAR
          You are confused. They are participating in keeping peace. I bet this is even why they call them “peace keepers.”

          MK: His [Gore’s] hypocrisy is advocating against global warming and then using private jets, burning more fuel.>>

          DAR
          I guess you have given upon trying to support your claim, and defend Blakes falsehoods, about him owning a private jet.

          Nor have you shown where he has spoken against people flying.

          Al Gore has been an effective educator about the science of climate change. Some like to pretend that he has to ride to his presentations on a bicycle or in a row boat, but this isn’t the case. It’s quite possible to teach people about the science of climate change while at the same time making use of modern transportation.

          If you would like to make a case for your charge of hypocrisy, I have shown you what you need to do. There’s a reason why you can’t do it, and won’t even try. You got nothing.

          MK: So he can afford to buy carbon offsets. That makes it OK.>>

          DAR
          Yep.

          MK: And since YOU reverted to name calling>>

          DAR
          What name did I call you? Is “Mike” not correct?

          MK: why you are living here?>>

          DAR
          I like the weather. And the ratio of silly people is a little out of whack. So I try to help out when I can.

          MK: “You chose to leave your beloved Canada live in the U.S. and then bash the U.S.>>

          DAR
          I tell the truth about countries. This causes some discomfort for those invested in myths about their tribe.

          As I have mentioned before, I’m not too big on the whole tribalism thing. As Paine famously put it:

          “The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.”

          The whole nationalism thing is over rated and too often unproductive. Best to just be honest and work to improve the environment you’re in. Leave the pep rallies for the kiddies.

          MK: Why don’t you go home?>>

          DAR
          Planet earth is my home. But if I lived across this temporary political line we’ve made up, in Canada, that wouldn’t save you from getting the good shellacking you deserve. They have fast internet there too (partially thanks to Al Gore of course).

          D.
          —————–
          “In his private life, Gore tries to reduce his emissions as much as possible. He drives a hybrid, flies commercially whenever he can, and purchases green power. In the few instances where work has demanded that he travel privately, he purchases carbon offsets for the emissions.”
          –Spokesperson responding to a smear campaign by Hannity in ’07, which you appear to be parroting.

          Think Progress.

          Further roast here: ‘Proud’ Polluter Sean Hannity Launches Pathetic Smear Attack Against Al Gore.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          DAR: That’s pretty obvious.
          MK: That’s it, Darrel, resort to name calling when you cannot make your argument.
          DAR: Name calling? What name did I call you? Do tell. Actually, you said you didn’t know where to begin and I simply agreed with you.

          Look up condescending in the dictionary.

          MK: I stated Antarctica isn’t a country.
          DAR: Good for you. Then you should know how profoundly stupid it would be to bring up a continent when discussing ratings of “countries.”
          MK: The example was its remoteness.
          DAR: Since it’s a continent and not a country, it’s remoteness is irrelevant.

          Name calling again. Look up stupid. I usually let spelling and grammar mistakes go, but since you used stupid, learn when to use its and it’s. Remoteness does matter as it makes it harder to attack. If you don’t understand that then I cannot help you.

          DAR: Hey Mike, Denmark ranks #2. It’s surrounded by countries.

          It shares a border with ONE country.

          DAR: Last I checked, Canada was just as far from the US, as the US is from Canada. Yet the rankings are #8 and #83 respectively. And of course Australia is just as remote as New Zealand. Obviously, “remoteness” is a canard and has nothing whatsoever to do with this.

          Remoteness is just one factor. The site you source states:

          The Economist, in publishing the index, admitted that, “the index will run into some flak.” Specifically, according to The Economist, the weighting of military expenditure “may seem to give heart to freeloaders: countries that enjoy peace precisely because others (often the USA) care for their defense.” The true utility of the index may lie not in its specific rankings of countries now, but in how those rankings change over time, thus tracking when and how countries become more or less peaceful.

          The U.S. improved from 96 to 83 while Canada remained the same. I will acknowledge it is easier to improve from a higher number.

          MK: [Austria and Japan] have chosen isolation in response to their participation in WWII.
          DAR: Japan, the second largest economy in the world, has “chosen isolation?” That’s a good one. Actually, they have just chosen to be peaceful.

          No their WWII experience has led them to forego any military ambitions.

          MK: By doing so [supply a few troops to the UN] Canada is participating in a war.
          DAR: You are confused. They are participating in keeping peace. I bet this is even why they call them “peace keepers.”

          By your logic then the U.S. is a better “peace keeper” then Canada. We agree there.

          MK: His [Gore’s] hypocrisy is advocating against global warming and then using private jets, burning more fuel.
          DAR: I guess you have given upon trying to support your claim, and defend Blakes falsehoods, about him owning a private jet.

          His private jets refer to his leasing private jets. Please don’t tell me he flies commercial.

          MK: So he can afford to buy carbon offsets. That makes it OK.
          DAR: Yep.

          Cool, then we can pollute all we want. Just buy carbon offsets.

          MK: “You chose to leave your beloved Canada live in the U.S. and then bash the U.S.
          DAR: I like the weather.

          The weather in Panama is even warmer and it ranks at 59.

          DAR: I tell the truth about countries. This causes some discomfort for those invested in myths about their tribe.

          I don’t try to gloss over things either, Darrel.

          DAR: “The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.” The whole nationalism thing is over rated and too often unproductive. Best to just be honest and work to improve the environment you’re in. Leave the pep rallies for the kiddies.

          I agree, Darrel. We just disagree on how that should be done.

          DAR: Planet earth is my home. But if I lived across this temporary political line we’ve made up, in Canada, that wouldn’t save you from getting the good shellacking you deserve. They have fast internet there too (partially thanks to Al Gore of course).

          Ah, yes, the inventor.

          Off topic, I’ve been to Canada numerous times. It is a beautiful country. What part are you from?

        • Darrel says:

          MK: Look up condescending in the dictionary.>>

          DAR
          I did. It isn’t “name calling.” Why do you say one thing when you mean the other?

          MK: The example [Antarctica] was its remoteness.>>

          DAR
          The example is ludicrous. An examination of the list of countries does not show a correlation between peacefulness and closeness to other countries. Austria shares large borders with 7 countries. It’s #5.

          DAR: Hey Mike, Denmark ranks #2. It’s surrounded by countries.>>

          MK: It shares a border with ONE country.>>

          DAR
          Let me draw you a picture.

          Look at the top ten. They have neighbors, lots and lots of them.

          MK: The site you source states:

          “…the weighting of military expenditure “may seem to give heart to freeloaders: countries that enjoy peace precisely because others (often the USA) care for their defense.”

          DAR
          That’s one category. And I agree. Countries do freeload on massive US overspending. Especially Canada.

          MK: The U.S. improved from 96 to 83 while Canada remained the same. I will acknowledge it is easier to improve from a higher number.>>

          DAR
          Let’s remember that the actual claim in question I was addressing was that the US is the “most peaceful country on Earth.”

          I wouldn’t even have made a fuss if it was in the top ten. I wish it could make the top twenty.

          MK: His private jets refer to his leasing private jets.>>

          DAR
          Here was the original claim: “Al Gore justifies using his private jet…”

          Al Gore doesn’t have a private jet, nor has he ever condemned people flying in private jets. He flies commercial when he can.

          MK: Please don’t tell me he flies commercial.>>

          DAR
          To late. Already did. He flies commercial. Get informed. Almost everything the right says and too often believes about Al Gore, is wrong.

          MK: Cool, then we can pollute all we want. Just buy carbon offsets.>>

          DAR
          No, your distorting the claim. No one has said “we can pollute all we want.” Buying offsets is a useful stop gap to make up for when excess carbon is used. This reduces a persons carbon “footprint.” Buying them is better than not.

          MK: Ah, yes, the inventor.>>

          DAR
          He never said that of course. A little side note. I have been swatting down lies and smears about Al Gore for years. Originally I investigated them innocently enough. This was when I learned just how profoundly dishonest the US media and general discussion is in this country. It’s really quite amazing that this is tolerated. I have yet to see a Gore smear that actually holds up. The attacks against him represent an astonishing and in my experience a perfect record of distortion and dishonesty.

          And that’s too bad.

          MK: What part [of Canada] are you from?>>

          DAR
          In Toronto until 9, then British Columbia until 21.

          D.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          MK: Look up condescending in the dictionary.
          DAR: I did. It isn’t “name calling.” Why do you say one thing when you mean the other?

          Webster defines condescending as to assume an air of superiority. Therefore, that would relegate the other party as inferior. OK then. I can call you inferior and that’s OK by you. Good enough, I’m superior to you. No name calling there. We agree again.

          MK: The example [Antarctica] was its remoteness.
          DAR: The example is ludicrous. An examination of the list of countries does not show a correlation between peacefulness and closeness to other countries. Austria shares large borders with 7 countries. It’s #5.

          Austria like Japan has put their military away after WWII. They learned their lesson.

          DAR: Hey Mike, Denmark ranks #2. It’s surrounded by countries.
          MK: It shares a border with ONE country.
          DAR: Let me draw you a picture

          Denmark shares a border with Germany. That’s it. If water counts then the U.S. shares a border with France. And Denmark attacking Germany is like the 98 pound weakling throwing sand in the face of the beach bully.

          DAR: Let’s remember that the actual claim in question I was addressing was that the US is the “most peaceful country on Earth.”
          I wouldn’t even have made a fuss if it was in the top ten. I wish it could make the top twenty.

          Again your own source states:

          The true utility of the index may lie not in its specific rankings of countries now, but in how those rankings change over time.

          DAR: Here was the original claim: “Al Gore justifies using his private jet…”
          Al Gore doesn’t have a private jet, nor has he ever condemned people flying in private jets. He flies commercial when he can.
          MK: Please don’t tell me he flies commercial.
          DAR: To(o) late. Already did. He flies commercial. Get informed. Almost everything the right says and too often believes about Al Gore, is wrong.

          Show me he flies commercial. When was that? And it shouldn’t matter. He is championing a cause and as such should ALWAYS fly commercial while not in office.

          MK: Cool, then we can pollute all we want. Just buy carbon offsets.
          DAR: No, your distorting the claim. No one has said “we can pollute all we want.” Buying offsets is a useful stop gap to make up for when excess carbon is used. This reduces a persons carbon “footprint.” Buying them is better than not.

          I guess we will just agree to disagree on this point.

          MK: Ah, yes, the inventor.
          DAR: He never said that of course. A little side note. I have been swatting down lies and smears about Al Gore for years. Originally I investigated them innocently enough. This was when I learned just how profoundly dishonest the US media and general discussion is in this country. It’s really quite amazing that this is tolerated. I have yet to see a Gore smear that actually holds up. The attacks against him represent an astonishing and in my experience a perfect record of distortion and dishonesty.
          And that’s too bad.

          His exact words, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”

          MK: What part [of Canada] are you from?
          DAR: In Toronto until 9, then British Columbia until 21.

          Where in BC?

          • Big Dog says:

            You say Japan put its military away and learned its lesson as if it had a choice. The surrender required them to only use their military for homeland defense.

            Al Gore smears? Sure. The things that are true are not smears. Al Gore said he took the initiative in creating the internet. Since the internet was invented in 1969 and Al Gore was in the Army at that time (and not in Congress until 1977) I fail to see how anything he did involved the internet. Any mention of him being involved in it is a LIE. Swat that “smear” down.

            What criteria do they use for peacefulness? In Blake’s opinion he lives in the most peaceful country on Earth and that is good enough. Who cares what some organization says? These organizations that rate come up with bizarre criteria and then make claims based on little substance.

            But you might be on to something. perhaps if the US had remained peaceful in WWI and WWII those countries that are now such a Utopia of peace would all be part of another country that was in no way peaceful.

            If the US becaomes the most peaceful country on Earth by the criteria set forth by groups with nothing better to do then a lot of other countries will suffer.

            • Darrel says:

              Bigd: The things that are true [about Gore] are not smears.>>

              DAR
              Okay, let’s see one of those.

              Bigd:
              Al Gore said he took the initiative in creating the internet.>>

              DAR
              Which is true, if clumsily worded. Snopes has the debunk of this common distortion here:

              http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

              Bigd: Any mention of him being involved in it is a LIE. Swat that “smear” down.>>

              DAR
              Done. See the link. You don’t know what you are talking about. I can’t believe people still believe this nonsense. You guys are getting mentally inbred reading your same old junk over and over and actually believing it!

              Bigd: What criteria do they use for peacefulness?>>

              DAR
              Twenty four indicators. See them list here:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

              Bigd: In Blake’s opinion he lives in the most peaceful country on Earth and that is good enough.>>

              DAR
              No, he’s wrong and he’s not even close. He makes it up as he goes.

              If he was a big boy he would admit it, learn something new, and move on.

              “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away”.

              It’s okay for kids to think this way, not so for adults.

              D.

        • Blake says:

          Actually, all I need to do is to prove that Al Gore has said that people need to reduce their carbon footprint- he has- and that Al Gore’s footprint is sasquatch- sized- it is.
          He could use a fleet of Le Cars instead of the SUVs that he uses, and leaves idling.
          Instead, he says he purchases “Carbon Credits”- from where, I do not know- the UN? If so, he’s just wasting his money, and still being hypocritical.

        • Darrel says:

          MK: Good enough, I’m superior to you.>>

          DAR
          Better to demonstrate rather than just make the claim. If you were a little smarter, you would know this already.

          MK: Show me he flies commercial.>>

          DAR
          As I remember, it was shown repeatedly in that hit movie of his. You should watch it. I just watched a documentary about Jimmy Carter last night, “The Man from Plains.” He was doing a book tour. He flew commercial too.

          MK: [He] should ALWAYS fly commercial while not in office.>>

          DAR
          If you had read the link I gave, where Hannity dishonestly went after him, this is not always possible, as when he has official business involving the president or secret service. Hannity smeared him for using a private jet when he had to for official business.

          Show me a Gore smear that is true. I would love to see one. So tired of the lies.

          MK: His exact words, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”>>

          DAR
          Right. I knew the exact words of course which is why I knew your claim was wrong. So why distort when you can be accurate?

          MK: Where in BC?>>

          DAR
          Salmon Arm.

          D.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          MK: Good enough, I’m superior to you.
          DAR: Better to demonstrate rather than just make the claim. If you were a little smarter, you would know this already.

          I’m smart enough to know that being condescending is derogatory.

          MK: Show me he flies commercial.
          DAR: As I remember, it was shown repeatedly in that hit movie of his. You should watch it. I just watched a documentary about Jimmy Carter last night, “The Man from Plains.” He was doing a book tour. He flew commercial too.

          Ah yes, Jimmy Carter, the man who gave us stagflation the Iranian hostage situation. And what does he have to with Gore flying commercial?

          MK: [He] should ALWAYS fly commercial while not in office.
          DAR: If you had read the link I gave, where Hannity dishonestly went after him, this is not always possible, as when he has official business involving the president or secret service. Hannity smeared him for using a private jet when he had to for official business.

          It may have been for official business, but I have a hard time believing he couldn’t have found a commercial flight. You’ll never convince me otherwise and you cannot prove it. I know, I cannot prove otherwise, but there are so few flights available here in the U.S.

          MK: His exact words, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
          DAR: Right. I knew the exact words of course which is why I knew your claim was wrong. So why distort when you can be accurate?

          I am accurate. I didn’t claim to be quoting him and Thesaurus.Com gives inventor as a synonym for creator. Gore was neither. Now if he had stated he was a sponsor of legislation to advance its development he would have been OK. His poor choice of words led to his being ridiculed. Maybe Bush should also claim to be its creator/inventor as he signed the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991.

          MK: Where in BC?
          DAR: Salmon Arm.

          I was hoping for Vancouver or Whistler. I was there 3 years ago and will probably go again year after next. Also, both cities are hosting the Winter Games this season and I was wondering if you could provide any insights. If you can just post that you can, and I will send an e-mail to your FreeThinkers web site and request they forward it to you. I will not discuss politics via e-mail though, just vacation stuff.

        • Darrel says:

          MK: I’m smart enough to know that being condescending is derogatory.>>

          DAR
          You’re right. It is. When are you going to be smart enough to know it isn’t “name calling?”

          MK: Jimmy Carter, the man who gave us stagflation the Iranian hostage situation.>>

          DAR
          Did he actually take them as hostages himself? No. And they all came home safe. They are very thankful to president Carter for this.

          As I have pointed out before, among presidents since WWII, the Demo’s have the top three slots, the republicans have the bottom three slots. Carter is squarely in the middle beating your Nixon, Eisenhower and beating the pants off of both papa Bush and baby Bush *handily*.

          Forbes.

          MK: And what does he have to with Gore flying commercial?>>

          DAR
          Both won the election to be president and both fly commercial now.

          MK: I have a hard time believing he couldn’t have found a commercial flight.>>

          DAR
          That was not the claim. Apparently you still didn’t read the link.

          MK: You’ll never convince me otherwise and you cannot prove it.>>

          DAR
          Spoken like a true dogmatist. Okay, I’ll hold your hand and go get the quote in question:

          “Hannity attacked Gore for taking a private jet from New Hampshire to Washington DC in January 2000 in order to attend the State of the Union address.

          – Al Gore was the sitting Vice President at the time, and as such, he followed Secret Service security protocols. That is why he did not fly commercially, as Hannity seemed to suggest he should have.”

          ‘Proud’ Polluter Sean Hannity Launches Pathetic Smear Attack Against Al Gore.”.

          Al Gore has never condemned flying in jets, private or commercial, and he buys offsets so his carbon foot print is zero. You guys got anything but lies and distortions to smear him with? Still waiting.

          MK: Thesaurus.Com gives inventor as a synonym for creator.>>

          DAR
          Truth by thesaurus! What is this, some elementary school level of understanding of language? (that was condescending)

          MK: I will send an e-mail to your FreeThinkers web site and request they forward it to you.>>

          DAR
          All mail goes to me.

          D.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          MK: I’m smart enough to know that being condescending is derogatory.
          DAR: You’re right. It is. When are you going to be smart enough to know it isn’t “name calling?”

          I guess I cannot reason you. You position on this is ridiculous.

          MK: Jimmy Carter, the man who gave us stagflation and the Iranian hostage situation.
          DAR: Did he actually take them as hostages himself? No. And they all came home safe. They are very thankful to President Carter for this. As I have pointed out before, among presidents since WWII, the Demo’s have the top three slots, the republicans have the bottom three slots. Carter is squarely in the middle beating your Nixon, Eisenhower and beating the pants off of both papa Bush and baby Bush *handily*.

          What are you talking about, Darrel? You brought up Carter and I responded about CARTER. He did bring us stagflation (a word I never even heard of until Carter) and the Iranian hostage situation. Ah, the hostages were released on January 20, 1981, 20 minutes AFTER Reagan was sworn in as president after spending 444 days in captivity. 444 DAYS!

          As far as the other presidents there are many things I disagree with Republicans and many I do agree with Democrats. The most popular Democratic president of the time, JFK, lowered taxes. But again, what do they have to do with our previous discussion? Answer, NOTHING!

          MK: Thesaurus.Com gives inventor as a synonym for creator.
          DAR: Truth by thesaurus! What is this, some elementary school level of understanding of language? (that was condescending)

          It very well may be, but you didn’t get it the first go around.

        • Blake says:

          The Iranian hostages BLAME Carter for being the invertebrate wimp he was—- It was Reagan and the threat of REAL force that freed the hostages 20 minutes after Ron was sworn in.

        • Mike Radigan says:

          Under Carter the prime rate hit 21.5%.

          Led by Volcker, the Federal Reserve raised the discount rate from 10% when Volcker assumed the chairmanship in August 1979 to 12% within two months. The prime rate hit 21.5% in December 1980, the highest rate in U.S. history under any President. Carter admitted in February 1980 that inflation had reached a “crisis stage.” Investments in fixed income (both bonds and pensions being paid to retired people) were becoming less valuable. The high interest rates would lead to a sharp recession in the early 1980s.

          Source for above:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Jimmy_Carter#Economy:_stagflation_and_the_appointment_of_Volcker

    • Big Dog says:

      Just because Chavez was elected does not mean he is not a dictator. You know that anyone can win an election if the right pressure is put on and even if he won fair and square he can rule as a dictator. Being a dictator is a style of governing not a way of obtaining office. The way he governs is dictatorial.

      It would all depend on your definition of freedom. Gays blah blah. They have as much freedom as anyone else. They can’t marry, boo hoo. Marriage has a definition. If they don’t like the definition then work to have it legally changed. If you lose quit crying and move on or work harder. I am tired of hearing about how gays have it so tough. Send them to Iran and see how free they are.

      Better yet, tell them to go to one of the dozen countries where they are reported to have more freedoms. But quit whining.

      How does one measure peace? We have had no active wars on our soil since the civil war. We were attacked on our soil on 9/11 but the war is not fought here. The only disruption in peace in this country is the legions of criminals fostered in liberal cities run by Democrats and allowed on the streets time and again by liberal judges. I guess it depends on how you measure peace and by Blake’s measure it is the most peaceful.

      Al Gore flies in private jets regardless of who owns them. Ditto on the SUvs.

      • Darrel says:

        Bigd: “How does one measure peace?”>>

        DAR
        The study I referred to:

        “measured countries’ peacefulness based on wide range of indicators, 24 in all. A table of the indicators is below.”

        See the list of indicators here:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index

        Bigd: “guess it depends on how you measure peace and by Blake’s measure it is the most peaceful.>>

        DAR
        Blake doesn’t assign a list of reasonable variables and then see where the countries stack up. He looks out his window and imagines the world as he wishes it to be. This is wishful thinking and best discarded when one becomes an adult.

        D.

        • Blake says:

          No, actually, it is my opinion- one I am still (for now) entitled to, or are you like our Useless Leader, and in favor of cutting off free opinions and speech?

    • Blake says:

      Darrel, how much are you paid to be the party flack for Barry?

  2. Blake says:

    You can prove anything using liberal data- that is like the global warming lies- tell them often enough, some dumb people actually believe them. Like you.
    Chavez is a dictator- who took control of the media.
    The “Diversity Thug” is trying to do the same- the truth.
    Gore flies everywhere on a private jet- the truth
    Gore travels in a fleet of SUVs- the truth
    And who the hell would even want to go to Cuba, anyway?

    • Darrel says:

      BLK: Gore flies everywhere on a private jet- the truth>>

      DAR
      No he doesn’t. Nor has he condemned people who use private jets.

      BLK: Gore travels in a fleet of SUVs->>

      DAR
      That’s false too. He drives a hybrid.

      You can’t seem to demonstrate that Al Gore is a hypocrite. But in the process you do a bang up job of showing that you are a liar and not the least bit interested in truth.

      D.

  3. Blake says:

    There is a bill in the Senate now-S-773- that gives Nobama the power to regulate the internet for content, restrict freedom of speech, and even shut it down in the event of an “emergency”- it also provides fines for bloggers who have content that is deemed by the regulators to be “libelous”, with fines for the blogger whose site it is, and the people who write these entries.
    This is Mark Lloyd’s and Cass Sunstein’s work here- two of Nobama’s closest “advisors”.
    Can you say, “Censorship? Thought you could.”
    This is not a conservative or liberal issue, this is about the Constitution. When are the liberals going to say, “Whoa! Perhaps we go too far, here?”

  4. Mike Radigan says:

    That is really scary. Wake up America!

    On a lighter note, maybe Al Gore will put a halt to it since he invented the internet.

    • Blake says:

      No, but maybe he will open a Walmart that sells carbon credits/ Where do you even get them? What do they look like? Are they tax- free? Can you get two for one?
      Seriously- where does he “purchase” these amorphous things?

  5. Bunny Colvin says:

    “Then there is the resistance to regulating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and others- and make no mistake, it is their fault more than anyone else’s. They kept President Bush and his cadre from installing regulations that might have reined in the worst of the excesses.”

    Yeah, you know “President Bush and his cadre”, always tryin’ to regulate everything! Blake, where do you come up with this sh!t? You are a clown.

    Where’d you find this pretender, Big Dog? I mean, at least you admit your ignorance of economics. Your partner just rewrites history. What a hack.

    This comment was edited to change the names from unflattering, childish ones to the corerect ones.

    Bunny, are you still under the impression that you have some say in how this site runs? Did you not get the message the last time?

    • Blake says:

      Bunny, you really shoud read real history instead of listening to Bill Maher and Rosie O’Donnell- you might actually get some facts.
      What I said is and was the truth- the trouble with you libs is I could slap you with the cold hard truth, and you still would not recognize it.
      Buns- Frank, Dodd and the others are on youtube saying that the FMs are sound and indeed need LESS regulation, not more. You can find Bush calling for more regulations, in both 2001, and 2004- you can even find Clinton admitting that it is the Democrats that are blocking any reform on the FMs. Do some research, or shut up.