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		<title>By: Surfside</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/time-to-close-the-shiavo-case/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Surfside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2005 03:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was $700,000 for Terri and $300,000 for Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was $700,000 for Terri and $300,000 for Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 23:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know about the experts at Fox but I have actually seen people who starve to death and peaceful is a relative term.  A person hit by a train and killed instantly dies a peaceful death because they did not feel much of anything.  When you starve to death organ systems begin to shut down and your body consumes itself to stay alive.  Imagine how you feel when you are thirsty and multiply that then add the problems associated with metabolic acidosis.  No, I would say her death might be peaceful in that not a lot of noise will be made but it will not be painless.  She will suffer, and suffer a lot, and it is not necessary.

Interestingly, as someone over at GOP Bloggers pointed out, if Terri had killed someone and then been sentenced to death and decided that she would go on a hunger strike and starve herself to death then the very same people who removed this tube would make her get one put in to keep her from killing herself &lt;em&gt;just so the state could do it themselves.&lt;/em&gt;

As a side note, a &quot;liquified&quot; cerebral cortex is certainly not good but she is able to follow people with her eyes and respond to stimuli.  This hardly qualifies as vegetative, it is just not high functioning.  

I guess my question is why do they not just inject her with chemicals to kill her?  The end result would be the same.  This mehtod just gives people a cowardly way of saying &quot;Well, it is not our fault she could not feed herself, but we did not kill her, she starved &lt;em&gt;herself&lt;/em&gt; to death.&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know about the experts at Fox but I have actually seen people who starve to death and peaceful is a relative term.  A person hit by a train and killed instantly dies a peaceful death because they did not feel much of anything.  When you starve to death organ systems begin to shut down and your body consumes itself to stay alive.  Imagine how you feel when you are thirsty and multiply that then add the problems associated with metabolic acidosis.  No, I would say her death might be peaceful in that not a lot of noise will be made but it will not be painless.  She will suffer, and suffer a lot, and it is not necessary.</p>
<p>Interestingly, as someone over at GOP Bloggers pointed out, if Terri had killed someone and then been sentenced to death and decided that she would go on a hunger strike and starve herself to death then the very same people who removed this tube would make her get one put in to keep her from killing herself <em>just so the state could do it themselves.</em></p>
<p>As a side note, a &#8220;liquified&#8221; cerebral cortex is certainly not good but she is able to follow people with her eyes and respond to stimuli.  This hardly qualifies as vegetative, it is just not high functioning.  </p>
<p>I guess my question is why do they not just inject her with chemicals to kill her?  The end result would be the same.  This mehtod just gives people a cowardly way of saying &#8220;Well, it is not our fault she could not feed herself, but we did not kill her, she starved <em>herself</em> to death.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Surfside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone is interested, Fox News is reporting that all the doctors who actually examined Terri and her test results confirm that her cerebral cortex is, indeed, liquefied.  Those doctors purporting to the contrary have only had brief visits with her or have only reviewed the video tape.

They also report on Neil Cavuto&#039;s show that both Terri and Michael were awarded separate $1 million awards in 1993.  This money is virtually gone, spent on Terri&#039;s care and the court cases.  Michael&#039;s lawyers stopped charging fees in 2002 because the money was dwindling.  A FNC reporter indicated there was only a total of $45,000 to $50,000 left.

Also, contrary to previous claims, experts are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151110,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reporting at Fox&lt;/a&gt; that her death would be peaceful.  

I&#039;m glad that a news outlet has finally begun to accurately report the facts.  Leave it to FNC to lead the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone is interested, Fox News is reporting that all the doctors who actually examined Terri and her test results confirm that her cerebral cortex is, indeed, liquefied.  Those doctors purporting to the contrary have only had brief visits with her or have only reviewed the video tape.</p>
<p>They also report on Neil Cavuto&#8217;s show that both Terri and Michael were awarded separate $1 million awards in 1993.  This money is virtually gone, spent on Terri&#8217;s care and the court cases.  Michael&#8217;s lawyers stopped charging fees in 2002 because the money was dwindling.  A FNC reporter indicated there was only a total of $45,000 to $50,000 left.</p>
<p>Also, contrary to previous claims, experts are <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,151110,00.html" rel="nofollow">reporting at Fox</a> that her death would be peaceful.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad that a news outlet has finally begun to accurately report the facts.  Leave it to FNC to lead the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Surfside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust me when I tell you there are quite a few dogs starving out there.  Many are being starved intentionally.  These people are never called murderers and usually just get fined -- if anything.  There is no comparison, nor should there be.

I, too, pray for Terri and her family.  Believe it or not, my heart bleeds for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust me when I tell you there are quite a few dogs starving out there.  Many are being starved intentionally.  These people are never called murderers and usually just get fined &#8212; if anything.  There is no comparison, nor should there be.</p>
<p>I, too, pray for Terri and her family.  Believe it or not, my heart bleeds for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Surfside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it was Big Dog that brought animals into the picture.  For the record, I do not perscribe to PETAs actions or methods.  And, I&#039;m certainly not suggesting we should treat animals better than people (although my husband may disagree with me on this point).

What you may not understand is that families are faced with this choice every day in situations with more unpredictable outcomes than the Shiavo case.  Our family was faced with the same feeding tube choice when my Father had a stroke.  There was no way of knowing how or if he would recover when we faced the decision.  We were also told that once it&#039;s in, it&#039;s very difficult -- legally speaking -- to have it removed.  We opted for the tube as the possibility for improvement existed.  You might say I&#039;m not emotionally detached from this issue.

Legally, the husband didn&#039;t loose legal standing because no one contested it through the appropriate channels.  Therefore, the court system must adjudicate on what its presented. I&#039;m not suggesting we make a cost-basis anylsis concerning anyone&#039;s life.  The point is we are spending an incredible amount of money because legislators don&#039;t like the various court decisions. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it was Big Dog that brought animals into the picture.  For the record, I do not perscribe to PETAs actions or methods.  And, I&#8217;m certainly not suggesting we should treat animals better than people (although my husband may disagree with me on this point).</p>
<p>What you may not understand is that families are faced with this choice every day in situations with more unpredictable outcomes than the Shiavo case.  Our family was faced with the same feeding tube choice when my Father had a stroke.  There was no way of knowing how or if he would recover when we faced the decision.  We were also told that once it&#8217;s in, it&#8217;s very difficult &#8212; legally speaking &#8212; to have it removed.  We opted for the tube as the possibility for improvement existed.  You might say I&#8217;m not emotionally detached from this issue.</p>
<p>Legally, the husband didn&#8217;t loose legal standing because no one contested it through the appropriate channels.  Therefore, the court system must adjudicate on what its presented. I&#8217;m not suggesting we make a cost-basis anylsis concerning anyone&#8217;s life.  The point is we are spending an incredible amount of money because legislators don&#8217;t like the various court decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Schatz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Schatz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 04:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you on this one Big Dog.  In a lot of ways.  We do treat animals better than people in some respects.  There would certainly be a PETA member available to protest and argue if someone were trying to remove a feeding tube from a non-functional (but aware) pet.  And although I see Surfside&#039;s point and where it comes from, I have to say that we cannot use a cost-basis analysis to determine the validity of someone&#039;s wishes or desires.  I personally do not know what Terri would want but I feel her parents are in a better position to make that decision than her &quot;husband&quot; who is either a bigamist (and therefore a criminal and should be ineligible to make such a decision) or no longer her husband and therefore not eligible to make her health care decisions.  Either way I think this guy has lost his standing and the state (and country) should abide by her parents&#039; wishes.  Yes, this is all costing us a lot of money but I for one cannot put a price on a human life.  I think starving to death is a horrible way to die and if someone were intentionally doing that to a dog, we would be seeing it on Animal Precinct on the Animal Plant.

Every day people with &quot;terminal&quot; illnesses are given costly medical care in the hopes of prolonging their life if not curing their ailment.  Should we be able to decide that once that person is too weak or sick to be a &quot;functional&quot; person that they are no longer eligible for such care and it is costing us too much and therefore we should stop feeding them and &quot;decrease the surplus population&quot; (Scrooge - A Christmas Carol).  

I pray for Terri and her family, they certainly can use it.  I pray also for this country - because God knows we need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you on this one Big Dog.  In a lot of ways.  We do treat animals better than people in some respects.  There would certainly be a PETA member available to protest and argue if someone were trying to remove a feeding tube from a non-functional (but aware) pet.  And although I see Surfside&#8217;s point and where it comes from, I have to say that we cannot use a cost-basis analysis to determine the validity of someone&#8217;s wishes or desires.  I personally do not know what Terri would want but I feel her parents are in a better position to make that decision than her &#8220;husband&#8221; who is either a bigamist (and therefore a criminal and should be ineligible to make such a decision) or no longer her husband and therefore not eligible to make her health care decisions.  Either way I think this guy has lost his standing and the state (and country) should abide by her parents&#8217; wishes.  Yes, this is all costing us a lot of money but I for one cannot put a price on a human life.  I think starving to death is a horrible way to die and if someone were intentionally doing that to a dog, we would be seeing it on Animal Precinct on the Animal Plant.</p>
<p>Every day people with &#8220;terminal&#8221; illnesses are given costly medical care in the hopes of prolonging their life if not curing their ailment.  Should we be able to decide that once that person is too weak or sick to be a &#8220;functional&#8221; person that they are no longer eligible for such care and it is costing us too much and therefore we should stop feeding them and &#8220;decrease the surplus population&#8221; (Scrooge &#8211; A Christmas Carol).  </p>
<p>I pray for Terri and her family, they certainly can use it.  I pray also for this country &#8211; because God knows we need it.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you equating the treatment of animals to that of humans?  Of course not.  Animals always get treated better.  We need a PETH!  Perhaps after they kill Terri, they can butcher her and eat her.  Nah, won&#039;t be enough meat on her bones after being starved to death.

Cattle should never be in a vegetative state.  They should always be served with vegetables though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you equating the treatment of animals to that of humans?  Of course not.  Animals always get treated better.  We need a PETH!  Perhaps after they kill Terri, they can butcher her and eat her.  Nah, won&#8217;t be enough meat on her bones after being starved to death.</p>
<p>Cattle should never be in a vegetative state.  They should always be served with vegetables though.</p>
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		<title>By: Surfside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the cattle are in a vegative state and will be unable to sustain their own life, I really don&#039;t think you can draw a parallel.  Are these cattle on feeding tubes and likely spend the next 15 years in a nursing home at the taxpayers&#039; expense?  Did various courts rule that these cattle expressed wishes not to use extraordinary methods to sustain their lives?

Yes, I think I can see the parallel -- not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the cattle are in a vegative state and will be unable to sustain their own life, I really don&#8217;t think you can draw a parallel.  Are these cattle on feeding tubes and likely spend the next 15 years in a nursing home at the taxpayers&#8217; expense?  Did various courts rule that these cattle expressed wishes not to use extraordinary methods to sustain their lives?</p>
<p>Yes, I think I can see the parallel &#8212; not.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interesting story I found at &lt;a href=&quot;http://gopbloggers.org&quot;&gt;GOP Bloggers &lt;/a&gt;about a person who was arrested for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050319/NEWS01/503190523/1002/NEWS01&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;starving his cattle&lt;/a&gt;.  I guess he did not have a court order to kill them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interesting story I found at <a href="http://gopbloggers.org">GOP Bloggers </a>about a person who was arrested for <a href="http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050319/NEWS01/503190523/1002/NEWS01" rel="nofollow">starving his cattle</a>.  I guess he did not have a court order to kill them.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admittedly do not know as much about this case as the people closest to the situation.  I know that it is difficult for anyone to make these decisions.  In fact, imposing our will on Terri is not what I think the courts should do.  I know there has been judicial review but I wonder what this will lead to.  Will families of invalids in nursing homes decide that their loved one actually wanted to die so it is OK to pull the plug.  Hell, there are many drains on our tax money by people who are perfectly healthy.  Perhaps we should send them to the same fate to save money.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admittedly do not know as much about this case as the people closest to the situation.  I know that it is difficult for anyone to make these decisions.  In fact, imposing our will on Terri is not what I think the courts should do.  I know there has been judicial review but I wonder what this will lead to.  Will families of invalids in nursing homes decide that their loved one actually wanted to die so it is OK to pull the plug.  Hell, there are many drains on our tax money by people who are perfectly healthy.  Perhaps we should send them to the same fate to save money.</p>
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