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		<title>Obama Was Selected, Not Elected</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-was-selected-not-elected/.Karma is a wonderful thing sometimes because it sometimes comes back to bite people in the butts. Such is the case with the Democratic party and their current Selection to lead them In 2000 the Democrats lost their minds because Al Gore won more of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-was-selected-not-elected/">http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-was-selected-not-elected/</a>.<br /><p>Karma is a wonderful thing sometimes because it sometimes comes back to bite people in the butts.  Such is the case with the Democratic party and their current Selection to lead them  In 2000 the Democrats lost their minds because Al Gore won more of the popular vote but lost the electoral vote which is the fairest way to ensure that small, heavily populated areas of the country do not dictate who is elected.  It allows the smaller folks to have an equal say.  The Democrats began calling for change (there is that word) to the process.  That is what they do, don&#8217;t like the outcome, change the rules.  Fortunately, it would require a Constitutional Amendment to make that happen.</p>
<p>However, a funny thing happened after the Democrats began crying that Bush was selected (by the Supreme Court) rather than elected by the people.  The Democrats have now selected (by way of the Super Delegates) their nominee rather than electing him via the people.  Hillary Clinton won more of the popular vote and if the Democrats had allocated their delegates the way the Republicans did, she would have run a long time ago.  Yes, Clinton won the popular vote and Obama won the delegate count sp he was selected and not elected.</p>
<p>How many Democrats have you heard crying about the illegitimate nominee?  How many Democrats have bumper stickers that read &#8220;Selected, not Elected&#8221;?  How many of them will refuse to acknowledge Obama as the legitimate candidate because he was selected by a small group of special people rather than the voting public?  How many will proclaim that every vote should count and that the will of the people is important?  How many will talk of disenfranchisement?</p>
<p>As I write this, Obama is giving his selection speech (it can&#8217;t be a victory speech, he did not win) and he started it off by pulling his grandma from under the bus.  He acknowledged her and the fact that she raised him and he said that tonight was for her.  He said she was in Hawaii and could not make it because of her health.  I guess it is all the same, he does not want a typical white person around him anyway.</p>
<p>I have to admit, the guy gives a good speech and he really gets the crowd into it.  Then again, so did Hitler and we know how that ended.  Obama is saying a lot of nothing and he is inspiring a lot of people with promises he cannot keep.  It is unfortunate that so many Americans are absolutely clueless with regard to this guy and with politics in general.</p>
<p>But then again, what should we expect from a group of people who cried about Bush being &#8220;selected&#8221; and not elected while acting as if Obama, who really was selected rather than elected, as if he is the second coming of the messiah?</p>
<p>Sources:<br />
<a href="http://www.rightontheright.com/node/3648">Right on the Right</a><br />
<a href="http://discerningtexan.blogspot.com/2008/02/democrat-candidate-selected-not-elected.html">The Discerning Texan</a></p><div id="tweetbutton3505" class="tw_button" style=""><a href="http://twitter.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onebigdog.net%2Fobama-was-selected-not-elected%2F&amp;via=onebigdog&amp;text=Obama%20Was%20Selected%2C%20Not%20Elected&amp;related=onebigdog:The+Big+Dog&amp;lang=en&amp;count=horizontal" class="twitter-share-button"  style="width:55px;height:22px;background:transparent url('http://www.onebigdog.net/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-tweet-button/tweetn.png') no-repeat  0 0;text-align:left;text-indent:-9999px;display:block;">Tweet</a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Jimmah Carter is a Closet Obama Supporter</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 17:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/jimmah-carter-is-a-closet-obama-supporter/.Former Disaster in Chief Jimmah Carter was on Jay Leno recently (Leno must be having a has been week) and he indicated that the delegates from Florida and Michigan must not be seated because those states broke the rules of the DNC.  I actually happen [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/jimmah-carter-is-a-closet-obama-supporter/">http://www.onebigdog.net/jimmah-carter-is-a-closet-obama-supporter/</a>.<br /><p>Former Disaster in Chief Jimmah Carter was on Jay Leno recently (Leno must be having a has been week) and he indicated that the delegates from Florida and Michigan must not be seated because those states broke the rules of the DNC.  I actually happen to agree with this position but I agree because it was the rule and the states knew what would happen if they broke it.  Carter does not particularly care about the rules as much as he cares how this will affect Barry Obama (who Carter has hinted at preferring).  Carter does not want to let Hillary get any closer and he does not want the number of delegates needed to win to increase.  He also does not want super delegates added because that would increase Hillary&#8217;s chances.  Carter also warned about super delegates changing the will of the people:</p>
<blockquote><p>He warned of a disaster if party insiders try to wrest the nomination from the candidate with the largest number of votes and state victories.</p>
<p>An attempt by so-called Democratic superdelegates to override the popular vote &#8220;would be an almost unacceptable thing,&#8221; Carter told Jay Leno on &#8220;The Tonight Show.&#8221;</p>
<p>If a candidate has a clear edge in votes, state-by-state wins and delegates claimed at caucuses and primaries, &#8220;I can&#8217;t imagine that the superdelegates would go against them,&#8221; Carter said. &#8220;It would be a catastrophe for the party.&#8221; <a href="http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PRIMARY_SCRAMBLE?SITE=WBAL&#038;SECTION=NATIONAL&#038;TEMPLATE=DEFAULT">WBAL</a></p></blockquote>
<p>This is the flaw in their process.  First of all, the super delegates are allowed, by their rules, to select who they want.  The party has done this before and selected someone who was not the popular candidate (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1952">Adlai Stevenson</a>).  Secondly, even if they go with the will of the people the standard should not be the will of the people as a whole or the will of the people of a state but should be defined to the will of the people in a particular Congressional District.  This standard would apply to elected super delegates who are in the House.  The Senators represent an entire state so they wll need to decide how to vote.  </p>
<p>For example, in Maryland there are eight Congressional Districts, five of which have Democrats for their representatives.  Obama won the state and if we apply Carter&#8217;s standard (and the standard of Obama supporters) then he should get all five super delegates.  However, Clinton won one of the five (as well as the three headed by Republicans) so Obama should get four and Clinton one.  This is how the will of the people is demonstrated.  Their wishes are expressed by their Representatives.  If we goup all people together by state or as a country then the wishes of the people are not truly expressed.</p>
<p>The fact that Democrats want to do this does not surprise me because they do not care about the will of the voter unless they lose to a Republican (then there are voting problems and people were disenfranchised).  The establishment is worried about one thing and one thing only and that is losing the black vote if they select Clinton over Obama.  They are worried that Obama will not win the general election because he cannot carry the white vote in sufficient numbers.  But, they are stuck with him unless they want to risk losing the black vote, a demographic they cannot win without.</p>
<p>If the Democrats cared about the will of the people they would let the people of Florida and Michigan have a say in the process.  Instead, the Democrats have disenfranchised all those people who will probably remember this when it is time to vote in the general election.  I agree with Rush Limbaugh.  All the people in those states should register as Republicans because we will let your votes count.</p>
<p>In any event, the Democrats have painted themselves into a corner and they will end up getting bloodied before they can get out of that corner.</p>
<p>It will be so much fun to watch them beating themselves to death.</p>
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		<title>Bill Clinton Gone Wild; Again</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 06:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/bill-clinton-gone-wild-again/.Bill Clinton unleashed his fury on several California super delegates while attempting to garner their support for his wife&#8217;s bid for the presidency. The meeting started out as an affable gathering with Bill working the room. Then, Rachel Binah mentioned how she was sorry to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/bill-clinton-gone-wild-again/">http://www.onebigdog.net/bill-clinton-gone-wild-again/</a>.<br /><p>Bill Clinton unleashed his fury on several California super delegates while attempting to garner their support for his wife&#8217;s bid for the presidency.  The meeting started out as an affable gathering with Bill working the room.  Then, Rachel Binah mentioned how she was sorry to hear that James Carville had referred to Bill Richardson as Judas. This seems to have been the trigger that sent Clinton into a rage.  Clinton, who has a short flash to bang time anyway, went from a congenial fellow to a red faced, finger pointing lunatic accusing the media of unfair treatment and saying that Richardson had promised not to endorse at least five times.</p>
<p>The tirade left many of the super delegates feeling ill at ease and many indicated that this was a different Bill than seen in earlier campaigns.  After Clinton lost his mind he told the gathering that the party needed to &#8220;chill out&#8221; and keep unity.</p>
<p>This incident comes on the heels of information that the Clintons have been telling the super delegates that Barack Obama cannot beat John McCain in the general election.  It appears as if the Clintons are becoming quite aggressive in their pursuit of power and they are now pulling no punches with regard to the super delegates because neither candidate can win without them.</p>
<p>It appears to me that if one is trying to gain the support of a particular group, it might not be wise to throw a tantrum in front of that group.  But this is classic Clinton.  Bill has always had a temper and Hillary&#8217;s violence is well known.  People who work with or for the Clintons are particularly afraid of Hilary and what she can do to them.  </p>
<p>The Democratic establishment is turning on the Clintons and they are finally finding out that their tired old tactics have worn thin.  They no longer get the same affection and support they once enjoyed.  They have become yesterday&#8217;s news and that does not sit well with them or their egos.  The Clintons are on the way down and those who once supported them are berating them in the political blogs of the left.  The MSM pays attention to them but now protects Obama in a fashion similar to the protection once afforded the mighty pair from Arkansas.  </p>
<p>If the MSM had done its job back then the lies, corruption and crimes of the Clinton crime family would have buried then.  Instead, they must now be dealt with once again and they are taking no prisoners.</p>
<p>It is nice to see the big happy Democratic family fall apart.  It is equally nice to see the Clintons fall from grace.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL&#038;type=printable">SFGate</a></p>
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		<title>How Hillary Will Win</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/how-hillary-will-win/.It has already started The Clinton is now working to ensure that Hillary will win the nomination by ensuring that the Super Delegates go for her. Those who refuse will meet some unfortunate fate and not be able to cast a vote. Obama Super Delegates [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/how-hillary-will-win/">http://www.onebigdog.net/how-hillary-will-win/</a>.<br /><p>It has already started  The Clinton is now working to ensure that Hillary will win the nomination by ensuring that the Super Delegates go for her.  Those who refuse will meet some unfortunate fate and not be able to cast a vote.  Obama Super Delegates will evaporate because they will succumb to the mighty Clinton machine.</p>
<p>It has started already:</p>
<blockquote><p>Puerto Rican Gov. Anibal Acevedo Vila (D), who is a superdelegate supporting Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) for president, was indicted on 19 counts Thursday stemming from financial dealings in three political campaigns. <a href="http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/puerto-rico-governor-obama-supporter-indicted-2008-03-27.html">The Hill</a></p></blockquote>
<p>This is just the first of many players.  Her team made an example out of the Puerto Rican Governor as a warning to others.  The buzz will be loud; Don&#8217;t mess with the Clintonistas&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, Governor Spitzer was a Hillary Super Delegate and he went down (pun intended) in flames.  Well, the Obama camp does have a bunch of former Clintonites working in it.</p>
<p>Beware the reaper.</p>
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		<title>Democrats; Party of Racial Division</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/democrats-party-of-racial-division/.For years and years the Democrats have painted Republicans as a party of old white guys that is not inclusive of blacks or other minorities. They like to point out that there are no black members of Congress in the Republican party and Howard Dean [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/democrats-party-of-racial-division/">http://www.onebigdog.net/democrats-party-of-racial-division/</a>.<br /><p>For years and years the Democrats have painted Republicans as a party of old white guys that is not inclusive of blacks or other minorities.  They like to point out that there are no black members of Congress in the Republican party and Howard Dean recently said that the Democrats look like the modern party while Republicans looked like they were still stuck in a time long ago.  These geniuses never stop to consider that most blacks are registered as Democrats so it would be difficult to find black Republicans who would want to run for Congress.  Why would they?  If they are Republicans they are labeled as &#8220;Uncle Toms&#8221; and sell outs by other blacks.  The tolerant party has no tolerance for those who leave the Democratic plantation.</p>
<p>Interestingly, the Republican Party under George Bush gave this country its first two black Secretaries of State.  This goes unappreciated as cartoonists from the left portray Condi Rice as a big lipped Aunt Jemima to George the &#8220;Task master&#8221; Bush and those who call Colin Powell and others such as Michael Steele phony blacks for being Republican.</p>
<p>However, whenever we see stories about racial divides it is within the Democratic Party.  Bill Clinton making racist remarks, John Kerry not hiring blacks to any position of prominence in his campaign, and now the Super Delegate fiasco.  Many blacks are being threatened because they continue to support Hillary Clinton even though Barack Obama won in their states (or districts).  These people are questioning the blackness of the SDs and are indicating that they need to support Obama because he is black and because that is what the people they represent have done.  I indicated in an earlier post that I would normally agree with this kind of thinking (about doing what constituents want, not voting because someone is black) but that i feel it is different with the SDs.</p>
<p>The Super Delegates have no rules governing how they may cast their votes.  If they were required to vote according to the will of their constituents then the rules would say so.  The rules say they may vote for whomever they wish without regard to any external influences.  Since this is the case they should be able to do so.  If they happen to like Obama better then they can vote for him and likewise for Clinton.  But this is not how people are looking at it and the tolerant party is full of people making threats.</p>
<p>I think the hypocrisy is funny and I know that if white Super Delegates were being threatened to vote for Hillary because she is white or because she won a certain area (in which case Kerry and Kennedy would have to change votes) there would be cries of racism and the race baiters would be out in full force.  Since the blacks are making the threats it is overlooked and no big deal is made of it.  I read a comment somewhere and the person indicated that it would not surprise him if there was some push to allow Obama to start with 200 Electoral Votes before the national election as a method of affirmative action.  I can&#8217;t say that I would be surprised if it happened.</p>
<p>The fact is that the Democrats have used race as a method of dividing people for decades.  They keep blacks &#8220;in their place&#8221; and do not allow them to stray too far from the plantation.  Those who do are instantly labeled as sell outs and Uncle Toms and do not deserve to use oxygen.  The racism that Democrats keep accusing the Republicans of seems to be concentrated right in their party.  This is why the Democrats pray that their convention is not brokered because their racism will be on display.  A bunch of old white guys could have the deciding factor in who gets the nomination for the left and that would fracture their party.  They are aware of it and want the matter settled before then.</p>
<p>The bullying tactics used on the Super Delegates by members of the black community rival the tactics of the KKK.  They are overtly racist and make no bones about this being a matter of Obama&#8217;s blackness and little else, including qualification, matters.</p>
<p>Like I have stated before, it would be good if people in the black community stopped drinking the Kool Aid from the Democratic Party and made up their own minds.  Come to the Republican Party and become empowered over your own lives.  You won&#8217;t need Hillary or Barack to provide you health care because you will be able to provide it for yourself.</p>
<p>Texas and Ohio Republicans please vote for Hillary so we can keep this fight on the left continuing up to their convention.  Not only will it be destructive to their party, it will be great entertainment for the next few months.</p>
<p>Source:<br />
<a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8762.html">The Politico</a></p>
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<p>For my friend Adam:  I told you <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/US-PRESIDENTIAL-ELECTION-St-Clairsville2C-Ohio-Senator-Hillary-Clinton/photo//080228/ids_photos_ts/r315812455.jpg/">Hillary was Satan</a>.</p><div id="tweetbutton3349" class="tw_button" style=""><a href="http://twitter.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onebigdog.net%2Fdemocrats-party-of-racial-division%2F&amp;via=onebigdog&amp;text=Democrats%3B%20Party%20of%20Racial%20Division&amp;related=onebigdog:The+Big+Dog&amp;lang=en&amp;count=horizontal" class="twitter-share-button"  style="width:55px;height:22px;background:transparent url('http://www.onebigdog.net/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-tweet-button/tweetn.png') no-repeat  0 0;text-align:left;text-indent:-9999px;display:block;">Tweet</a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Pelosi Sides with Obama</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/pelosi-sides-with-obama/.I wrote yesterday that the people who are elected to represent us should vote in accordance with the wishes of the majority of their constituents. I realize that there are many issues that come up that do not require this or that a district is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/pelosi-sides-with-obama/">http://www.onebigdog.net/pelosi-sides-with-obama/</a>.<br /><p>I wrote yesterday that the people who are elected to represent us should vote in accordance with the wishes of the majority of their constituents.  I realize that there are many issues that come up that do not require this or that a district is about evenly split so a politician needs to use good judgment (there is a contradiction in terms) but for the most part, they should follow the wishes of those who put them in office.  Some people do not agree with this and there has been at least one who resorted to childish insults because of my position.  Regardless, Nancy Pelosi thinks I am right.</p>
<p>Today, Pelosi said that the Super Delegates should vote in accordance with the wishes of their constituents.  Now I don&#8217;t necessarily agree that this should be so with the SDs because the rules allow them to vote however they want though many would be foolish to tick off the people who will vote for them (at least for the ones who hold elected office).</p>
<blockquote><p>Don&#8217;t veto the people&#8217;s choice.</p>
<p>&#8220;I think there is a concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to that,&#8221; she said, adding quickly, &#8220;I don&#8217;t think that will happen.&#8221;</p>
<p>She said the governors, lawmakers, DNC members and others picked as super delegates are chosen through a grassroots process and are accountable to the party&#8217;s voters.</p>
<p>&#8220;I do think that they have a respect &#8212; it&#8217;s not just following the returns, it&#8217;s also having a respect for what has been said by the people,&#8221; Pelosi said. &#8220;It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided.&#8221; <cite><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&#038;entry_id=24286">SFGate</a></cite></p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that this should be done.  However, I also believe that Pelosi is being a hypocrite when she says this and I believe it is because she supports Obama in the race.  She has not endorsed him but she is leaning that way and it is obvious by what she has said that she wants him to win.  Perhaps she will feel threatened by Hillary as president.  Here is why she is hypocritical; she keeps voting against the wishes of her constituents.  She voted to keep funding the war and she has not voted to stop it.</p>
<p>I am in favor of staying until we achieve victory so I am happy about this but it runs contrary to what she is saying here.  She voted for a minimum wage increase that people wanted (everyone wants more pay) but then she excluded the tuna company in her district so they could keep wages low.  She has never taken a position against a colleague who voted for or against something contrary to the voters.  As a matter of fact, when Republicans vote in accordance with the wishes (not nearly enough do this) of their constituents, Pelosi criticizes them.  Let a congressman from a military district vote in favor of funding the troops and she says he is being obstructive despite the fact that military families want their troops funded.  Nearly all voters in their right minds (and certainly a majority) want Congress to cut spending and stop using earmarks but none of them do that and Pelosi is not telling them to.</p>
<p>Though it might appear that she agrees with me I guess it only appears that way because she has had to change a position in order to help the candidate she wants to win.  Of course, she is also probably worried that ticking off Democrats could put her back in the minority and she won&#8217;t be banging that gavel next year.  </p>
<p>Reading the comments at the SFGate, the source of this story (linked above), people keep saying comments from Hillary supporters who think she should get the delegates and that Florida and Michigan should be seated.  I need to know something from the Democrats.  If Hillary and Obama go to the convention and neither has won outright with Obama leading by more than 100 votes (just leading is probably good enough) and the SDs award their votes to Hillary making her the winner will we be able to say Hillary was selected and not elected?  </p>
<p>Gore sued George Bush and lost.  The appeals went to the SCOTUS and they determined that the recounts had to stop (I actually think they could not recount in select areas) and George Bush won.  Since that time Democrats have called him illegitimate and said he was selected, not elected.  They claim the SCOTUS put Bush in office against the will of the people.</p>
<p>If the SDs do that with Hillary then their actions would be no different than those of the SCOTUS in Gore vs Bush (except that Bush won).  I would just be interested in hearing how the liberals will rationalize this because no matter how you slice it, they are both the same thing.  Actually, how liberals describe Florida in 2000 is closer to my hypothetical situation because in mine, Hillary really is behind.  </p>
<p>Bush was only behind in the minds of the liberals.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Copyright &#169; 2012 Big Dog. Visit the original article at http://www.onebigdog.net/between-barack-and-a-hard-place/.Hillary Clinton finds herself in deeper trouble as two more primaries loom on the horizon prior to her firewall states of Texas and Ohio. The latest polls from Texas show that Obama has now taken a lead there and only trails Hillary by 2% among [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Copyright &copy; 2012 <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net">Big Dog</a>. Visit the original article at <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/between-barack-and-a-hard-place/">http://www.onebigdog.net/between-barack-and-a-hard-place/</a>.<br /><p>Hillary Clinton finds herself in deeper trouble as two more primaries loom on the horizon prior to her firewall states of Texas and Ohio.  The latest polls from Texas show that Obama has now taken a lead there and only trails Hillary by 2% among Hispanic voters.  That vote was Hillary&#8217;s ace in the hole and if she does not have a larger lead in the demographic the fat lady will be warming up her vocal chords.</p>
<p>The saving grace for Hillary is that a large number of Super Delegates are from the old <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8535.html">Democratic establishment</a>.  They are a bunch of old white guys who have a lot of sway within the party and many of them are not elected to an office so they will not have to worry about the wrath of the electorate, at least not as far as they are personally concerned.</p>
<p>Hillary is basically toast as far as the primaries go.  She cannot catch Obama and neither of them will earn enough delegates to win the nomination outright.  Hillary stands to gain the lion&#8217;s share of delegates from Florida and Michigan should the DNC relent and allow those delegates to be seated.  This is seen as unlikely since the events were not properly contested and if anyone wants to talk about disenfranchising a black guy, this would be the ultimate event to do so.</p>
<p>A more likely event is that the uncommitted Super Delegates will go against the will of the people and cast their vote for Hillary thus giving her the nomination over the person who received the most votes from the electorate.  There are some SDs who are switching their committed vote from Hillary to Obama but there will not be enough of them to offset the old establishment should they decide that Hillary should get the nod.  For all their claims of diversity the overwhelming number of SDs are old white men and they just might not like the idea of running a black guy for the top spot.</p>
<p>Either event is likely to throw the Democratic Party into a state of turmoil.  If Hillary is selected the black voter will finally understand the betrayal that has been the Democratic Party.  Blacks have been taken for granted for years but every election cycle the Democrats promise them the world only to forget about them until the next election.  Trillions of dollars have been spent on the war on poverty and many are no better off than they were four decades ago when the war began.  If ever there was an indication that we should pull out of a war, that would be it.  The black voters finally see one of their own reach the pinnacle with a chance to make history by being elected the first black president in the history of this country.  If they get screwed they might stay home or cast protest votes for the Republican nominee.  In any event, maybe they will finally understand what has been happening all those years they ignored the signs that they were being used.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if Obama is selected the women voters, Hillary&#8217;s largest demographic, might feel betrayed by the old white men and take out their frustrations in a similar fashion.  Hillary was supposed to win, it was her turn.  There were a lot of women who got excited when she entered the race and they are still strongly supporting her so much so that Oprah Winfrey, one of the most successful women in the world, received a great deal of grief and talk of betrayal because she chose to back Obama.  These are two very determined groups and they make up a huge portion of the electorate.  Ticking them off will not be good for the Democratic Party.</p>
<p>Howard Dean is losing sleep at night thinking about the possibility of a brokered convention.  He might be a whack job but he is not stupid.  He realizes all too well that these scenarios could play out just as I described and tear his party apart.  If it happens it will only lend credence to the saying that the Democrats always find ways to lose.  The best he can hope for is for one of them to drop out but that does not appear likely.  He can hope that one will wrap up the nomination but that appears just as unlikely so it will be down to the convention and the nightmare of negotiations.  Even if they persuade Clinton and Obama to take a deal, say where she is the nominee and he is the VP (or vice versa), they run the risk of alienating the supporters of the one who gets to play second fiddle.  I can hear it now &#8220;why does the black man have to be second to a white woman&#8221; or &#8220;why does she have to be second to a man, isn&#8217;t a woman good enough to be first?&#8221;</p>
<p>These things are all possible and no one can guarantee that either would accept the terms.  Would you want to be Obama and be third in line behind Hillary and Bill?  The Democrats have a long hard road ahead of them and this is not going to be easy.  In addition to risking losing voters they need to worry about losing control of Congress.  If they tick off enough of their base those voters might stay away or vote for Republicans for Congress.  If the DNC is not careful it could lose it all.</p>
<p>That, of course, is a worse case scenario but it is not out of the realm of possibility.  The Democrats have a way of mucking things up and they seem to have done so this time.  The SDs were supposed to be helpful but now it appears as if the whole idea might have been a bad one.</p>
<p>Regardless of what happens this will be fun to watch.  I personally hope this goes to a brokered convention.  I might actually watch it just to see the comedy unfold.  My party is pretty uneventful so I might as well enjoy the antics on the other side&#8230;</p>
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<p>Others with interesting posts:<br />
<a href="http://www.themadpigeon.com/diary_of_the_mad_pigeon/2008/02/thursday-open-1.html">Diary of the Mad Pigeon</a>, <a href="http://rosemarysthoughts.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-enforces-immigration-laws-are.html">Rosemary&#8217;s Thoughts</a>, <a href="http://nukegingrich.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/re-creating-booger-wffot/">Nuke Gingrich</a>, <a href="http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/02/republicans-for-obama-sure.html">Faultline USA</a>, <a href="http://www.thirdworldcounty.us/?p=3412">third world county</a>, <a href="http://123beta.blogspot.com/2008/02/open-trackback-weekend_15.html">123beta</a>, <a href="http://www.samanthaburns.com/archives/2008/02/ota_weekend_51.html">The Crazy Rants of Samantha Burns</a>, <a href="http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/?p=1321">The World According to Carl</a>, <a href="http://www.shadowscope.com/archives/2008/02/friday_open_trackback_2.php">Shadowscope</a>, <a href="http://www.thepiratescove.us/?p=5195">Pirate&#8217;s Cove</a>, <a href="http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/2/14/3524704.html">The Pink Flamingo</a>, <a href="http://www.celebritysmackblog.com/2008/02/14/cupids-link-love/">Celebrity Smack</a>, <a href="http://caosblog.com/7090">Cao&#8217;s Blog</a>, <a href="http://thomistic.blogspot.com/2008/02/heritage-monthly-family-facts-video.html">Dumb Ox Daily News</a>, and <a href="http://www.yankeesailor.us/?p=567">The Yankee Sailor</a>, thanks to <a href="http://www.linkfests.us">Linkfest Haven Deluxe</a>.</p><div id="tweetbutton3324" class="tw_button" style=""><a href="http://twitter.com/share?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onebigdog.net%2Fbetween-barack-and-a-hard-place%2F&amp;via=onebigdog&amp;text=Between%20Barack%20and%20a%20Hard%20Place&amp;related=onebigdog:The+Big+Dog&amp;lang=en&amp;count=horizontal" class="twitter-share-button"  style="width:55px;height:22px;background:transparent url('http://www.onebigdog.net/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-tweet-button/tweetn.png') no-repeat  0 0;text-align:left;text-indent:-9999px;display:block;">Tweet</a></div>]]></content:encoded>
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