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Debt to Clinton was Paid Long Ago

Apr 20, 2008 Political

A number of people who were huge supporters of the Clintons have recently signed on to the Obama train and are casting their long time friends, Bill and Hillary, aside. This is particularly distressing to the Clintons because they both believe that they are owd by just about every Democrat. Admittedly, there are quite a number of Obama supporters who received appointments to very high paying and high profile government jobs and there are quite a few Democrats who owe Hillary for campaigning for them and helping them win.

Bill Clinton is particularly upset about those who worked in his administration and now support Obama. He was furious with Bill Richardson and as a result their friendship is strained. Surrogates of the Clintons have called people names and have questioned the loyalty of people that received a lot from Bill Clinton when he was president. Bill believes that people owe him but someone should explain to Bill Clinton that he received all that he was owed by any Democrat when they committed malfeasance in office and failed to vote for impeachment. Bill Clinton was paid in full by every Democrats who supported him during the impeachment process. Bill Clinton should have been removed from office. He lied under oath and charges were brought against him. Democrats paid him big time by opposing impeachment. Some Democrats said the charges did not warrant impeachment. Some of these people were in favor of impeaching Nixon and his charges nearly matched Clinton’s word for word.

As for Hillary, sure she has campaigned for people but she has made some of those folks mad along the way. She has piled on Democrats who have made mistakes if piling on made her look good. She piled on John Kerry when he insulted the troops. Hillary was right to pile on because Kerry actually insulted the troops despite what he said about it. However, he was upset she did not back him. She could have just kept silent on the matter but the Clintons are unable to keep quiet. They have to jump in and take the focus group position in order to look “good.”

It is interesting though to see how people have turned on the Clintons. They were once the darlings of the Democratic party. Democrats overlooked all kinds of criminal activity and defended the Clintons every time they were accused. The media ignored major stories in order to help them out (Drudge broke the Monica story that the MSM was sitting on) and they were usually treated as if they were pure as the driven snow. Now they are being beaten up by people who once loved them unconditionally. Amazingly, there are many former Clinton supporters who are now upset with them because they have been dishonest, negative, harsh, demanding, and unrelenting. These are the same people who ignored this kind of behavior from the Clintons for years and who would still be ignoring it if it were not for a charismatic empty suit named Obama.

Loyalty in DC only goes as far as the next election and politicians will disregard friendship if they think backing someone else will help them in any way, shape, or form. As far as Bill Clinton goes, he was paid quite handsomely long, long ago.

It will be interesting to see how much support Democrats get from the Clintons after this election. In a perfect world the Clintons would just fade away but in reality they could still have some value for people who need help getting reelected.

Source:
New York Times (read about Chelsea whining)

Tags: Clinton, debt, impeachment, liars, Obama, support, whining

Daily Kos Kids are Wrong Again

Jan 15, 2008 Political

I wrote recently about the suggestion at the Daily Kos for voters in Michigan to vote for Romney to keep him in the race and make the republicans fight it out. I indicated at the time that Michigan had a screwed up system where they allow people to vote for whomever they want. John Bambenek filed a complaint with the Michigan Attorney General and the Kos kids are having a field day with it. I really don’t care who the people in Michigan vote for and if they need a loser like Kos to tell them how to vote then they are worse off than can be imagined. A recent post, however, has a blatant error in it. Kagro X goes on and on about Bambenek’s complaint and he writes this:

Special Note #1 for the media: This case should tell you in no uncertain terms that when wingnuts cry to you about voter fraud — and let’s be honest, they’re constantly crying about it — they have not a clue in the world what they’re talking about, and they should be given no more attention than if they’d told you they’ve got video of Elvis descending from a UFO to cast a stretchy, sequined ballot.

Do not forget this. There’s nothing the Republicans whine about more annoyingly or more frequently these days than “voter fraud.” And here they are, once again, demonstrating embarrassingly for all to see, that all they can really hope for is for the media not to ask any questions when they slap that oh-so-scary-sounding label on… well, whatever the hell they happen to have at hand.

Do not believe Republican crocodile tears about voter fraud. They don’t know what it is. Daily Kos

I think Kagro took too many hits from the ceremonial bong to write such BS. It is almost always the Democrats who cry about voter fraud. The only time the say that all went well is when they win. In Florida in 2000 it was all the Democrats who cried about purged voter rolls, intimidation and disenfranchisement (a word most of them did not know until then) and it was they, along with Michael Moore who vowed not to let the same fraud happen in 2004. Moore provided video cameras and a hot line so people could video tape incidents of fraud and telephone in their concerns. Moore did not want the republicans to engage in the perceived fraud of 2000.

It was the Democrats who committed voter fraud that allowed JFK to win in 1960, screwed Ellen Sauerbrey out of the Governor’s seat in Maryland and it was Democratic voter fraud that discovered and counted ballots in Washington state to give a Democrat the win. These are the same Democrats who cried about Diebold machines and how evil Republicans were tapping into them and making votes change. It was Democrats who stated that they voted for one guy and the screen registered for another. It was Democrats who were too stupid to use a butterfly ballot and then claimed that they had been cheated.

It is always a Democrat who cries about voter fraud unless the Democrats win. Has anyone paid attention? In 2000 we had all the so called fraud in Florida and then in 2004 there was all the so called fraud in Ohio. Fraud claims that turned out to be unsubstantiated but were filed by DEMOCRATS. In 2006 the Democrats won and regained control of both chambers of the Congress. None of them said there was any voter fraud (or complained about Diebold machines) because they got the outcome they wanted. You can bet that if they had not won they would be crying like Kos in a room full of real men that they had been the victims of fraud.

This is the problem with Democrats. They assume that if they fail to win there had to be fraud because everyone, according to them, loves their message. The only explanation they have for loss is voter fraud because to believe anything else would shoot down their perceived importance and worth. The fact is, when voters reject the Democrats fraud is not involved.

I am not saying that fraud does not exist and I am sure that it happens in both parties. What I am saying is that the idea that Republicans always cry about fraud is contrary to the facts. Democrats try to project their inadequacies on the Republican Party as if saying it enough will make it true. Kagro and Kos and all the rest can complain about Bambenek and his complaint and they can present their case but to spout off blatant lies is beyond the pale especially in the face of contrary evidence.

Leave it to moonbats to distort the truth. No wonder they love Bill Clinton.

UPDATE: If you go to Kos and read the comments you will see a number of libtards crying about stolen elections. I rest my case.

Tags: bambenek, kagro x, kos, liars, wrong

Dems Knew About Waterboarding in 2002

Dec 9, 2007 Political

Members of the Democratic Party including now House Speaker Nancy Pelosi were well aware of the technique of waterboarding and expressed no complaints about it when briefed and shown the technique. In late 2002 certain members in leadership were given virtual demonstrations and none expressed any concerns and in fact, several wanted to know if we were pressing hard enough.

That was then and this is now with Democrats saying that waterboarding is torture and demonstrates how evil the Bush administration is. Many of the members (from both parties) who were present during the briefings now claim they do not remember being told about the process or that their recollection, in general, is vague. That is a very convenient dodge to cover up their approval of the technique. Before anyone says that they did not approve keep in mind that failure to express and objection to the procedure is approval by omission.

The recent uproar involves the destruction of video showing certain CIA operatives using various techniques. Some in Congress (Democrats) are calling this a cover up and that it shows that the CIA knows it was breaking the law. The tapes were from 2002 and waterboarding had not been eliminated as a method that may be used. The whole debate on torture and the limits came much later so it is unlikely that the CIA was worried about guilt for something that was not illegal at the time. It is more realistic that they were protecting identities, just as they claim (maybe Valerie Plame was in the videos). In order for the tapes to show guilt any law forbidding waterboarding would have to be made retroactive and I cannot see that happening. I find it amazing that Ted Kennedy would chime in saying one can only conclude there is a cover up given his history of covering up the murder he committed. I also think it is interesting that the same Democrats who are screaming that no one is above the law were dead set against Bill Clinton being impeached for breaking the law. I guess no one is above the law unless it is a Democrat who broke it.

The article about this indicates that waterboarding was used on our troops in the past to show them what to expect if captured by the Soviets. The article gives the impression that we do not do this any longer. Our troops get waterboarded in training and it is training authorized and funded by the Congress. The same people who are crying about a terrorist getting wet are authorizing this technique to be used on our troops. It is authorized by those who have seen it and now cannot recollect what they saw or said. I propose we waterboard those members of Congress to help them remember what they saw and what their positions were.

Hmm, concern for the enemy but not for our soldiers. That is a trademark of the left.

Source:
Washington Post

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Tags: CIA, Democrats, liars, waterboarding