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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obamas-fake-birth-certificate/comment-page-1/#comment-149389</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?&quot;

She didn&#039;t.  Just another birther lie...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?&#8221;</p>
<p>She didn&#8217;t.  Just another birther lie&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obamas-fake-birth-certificate/comment-page-1/#comment-149202</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;It is as valid or invalid as those who claim otherwise...&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Wrong. Those who make the claim that the president is illegally holding the office because the secret service (and other agencies who have looked at this) are so unbelievably incompetent that they didn&#039;t check this, have the BURDEN OF PROOF. So far they haven&#039;t come up with anything that hasn&#039;t been immediately LAUGHED out of court.

This is dumber than creationism.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;It is as valid or invalid as those who claim otherwise&#8230;&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Wrong. Those who make the claim that the president is illegally holding the office because the secret service (and other agencies who have looked at this) are so unbelievably incompetent that they didn&#8217;t check this, have the BURDEN OF PROOF. So far they haven&#8217;t come up with anything that hasn&#8217;t been immediately LAUGHED out of court.</p>
<p>This is dumber than creationism.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 00:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;Why spend all the money?&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  I have seen this claim over and over. Obama has supposedly spent millions trying to keep his birth certificate hidden. Yet I have never seen a single drop of evidence supporting this claim. Do you have a drop of evidence for this most extraordinary claim? It&#039;s really not too much to ask.

Bigd: &quot;Why do the hospitals in Hawaii not know where he was born?&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
&quot;Barack Obama was born at Kapi&#039;olani Maternity &amp; Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States...&quot;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082301620.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Washington Post&lt;/a&gt;.

Bigd: &quot;Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Let&#039;s see the evidence for this one.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;Why spend all the money?&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  I have seen this claim over and over. Obama has supposedly spent millions trying to keep his birth certificate hidden. Yet I have never seen a single drop of evidence supporting this claim. Do you have a drop of evidence for this most extraordinary claim? It&#8217;s really not too much to ask.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;Why do the hospitals in Hawaii not know where he was born?&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
&#8220;Barack Obama was born at Kapi&#8217;olani Maternity &amp; Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States&#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/23/AR2008082301620.html" rel="nofollow">Washington Post</a>.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Let&#8217;s see the evidence for this one.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post was not a roast or error correction.  It is as valid or invalid as those who claim otherwise and show it with the past statutes and the history.

Release the records, college transcripts might be helpful.  Did Obambam register as a foreign student?  Wouldn&#039;t that be interesting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post was not a roast or error correction.  It is as valid or invalid as those who claim otherwise and show it with the past statutes and the history.</p>
<p>Release the records, college transcripts might be helpful.  Did Obambam register as a foreign student?  Wouldn&#8217;t that be interesting?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 23:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would not seem to me that a person who helped with this would be a birther, the person helped Obama and knew it (if it is true).

I never commented one way or another except to say that FREEP was down because of it and that Obama never released a valid birth certificate, both true.

Yes, And I have seen the laws researched by others and they come to different conclusions than those who suport Obama.

My position all along is that I do not know because he was not held to the same standard as McCain, who manned up.

Why not get a certified copy of the original?

Why spend all the money?

Why do the hospitals in Hawaii not know where he was born?

Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?

Certified copy of the original and all is settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would not seem to me that a person who helped with this would be a birther, the person helped Obama and knew it (if it is true).</p>
<p>I never commented one way or another except to say that FREEP was down because of it and that Obama never released a valid birth certificate, both true.</p>
<p>Yes, And I have seen the laws researched by others and they come to different conclusions than those who suport Obama.</p>
<p>My position all along is that I do not know because he was not held to the same standard as McCain, who manned up.</p>
<p>Why not get a certified copy of the original?</p>
<p>Why spend all the money?</p>
<p>Why do the hospitals in Hawaii not know where he was born?</p>
<p>Why did his granny say she was there in Kenya when he was born?</p>
<p>Certified copy of the original and all is settled.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 04:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADM: &quot;...a birther lie which I’ve pointed out before but you just ignored and repeated anyway.&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  And I posted the above Birther roast back in August. Bigd&#039;s error correction function gets a little stuck sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADM: &#8220;&#8230;a birther lie which I’ve pointed out before but you just ignored and repeated anyway.&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  And I posted the above Birther roast back in August. Bigd&#8217;s error correction function gets a little stuck sometimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the birth notices didn&#039;t come from his mother, did they?  They come from vital statistics.  Darrel is correct about the law.  That&#039;s a birther lie which I&#039;ve pointed out before but you just ignored and repeated anyway.  You forgot to mention the way Obama couldn&#039;t have gone to Pakistan in the 1980&#039;s since you&#039;re into repeating already debunked lies.

My original birth certificate is long gone but yet I&#039;ve got a passport so I don&#039;t see your point about that.

Birtherism is a pack of lies and you repeat them.  But let&#039;s not call you a birther or suggest you support that by linking to and blockquoting birthers and spreading their conspiracy around...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the birth notices didn&#8217;t come from his mother, did they?  They come from vital statistics.  Darrel is correct about the law.  That&#8217;s a birther lie which I&#8217;ve pointed out before but you just ignored and repeated anyway.  You forgot to mention the way Obama couldn&#8217;t have gone to Pakistan in the 1980&#8242;s since you&#8217;re into repeating already debunked lies.</p>
<p>My original birth certificate is long gone but yet I&#8217;ve got a passport so I don&#8217;t see your point about that.</p>
<p>Birtherism is a pack of lies and you repeat them.  But let&#8217;s not call you a birther or suggest you support that by linking to and blockquoting birthers and spreading their conspiracy around&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is untrue.  Anyone can request and obtain a long form certified copy of the original birth certificate.  I had to do that to get my passport and Hawaiians who have land claim disputes do the same.

Spin it how you want.  John McCain was able to show all that was requested when his eligibility was questioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is untrue.  Anyone can request and obtain a long form certified copy of the original birth certificate.  I had to do that to get my passport and Hawaiians who have land claim disputes do the same.</p>
<p>Spin it how you want.  John McCain was able to show all that was requested when his eligibility was questioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BigD: &quot;contrary [to] Darrel and his ammo comment, the post had nothing to do with this...&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  The post didn&#039;t have anything to do with Birther nonsense? Could have fooled me. Walks and quacks exactly like Birther nonsense. Are there ANY Birther claims that are not nonsense?

Pass the popcorn Adam.

D.
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Standard BIRTHER ROAST:

CLAIM: &quot;The “Certification of Live Birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama’s birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” doc**ent is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii.&quot;

Response, SMRSTRAUSS:
&quot;This is not true in two ways. First when Obama was born this provision was not allowed. Only births in Hawaii were registered in Hawaii in 1961, and Obamas’ birth was registered in Hawaii in 1961.

Second, even today the state of Hawaii does not allow any of its doc**ents to lie. So, when a child is born outside of Hawaii and his parents qualify as Hawaiian residents, the short-form birth certificate must say something like: “Hawaii birth certificate, location of birth: New Jersey (or wherever it was). Obama’s says that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

CLAIM: “The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only doc**ent that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.’

Response:
&quot;But Obama cannot show it. Hawaii sends out only the short-form certifications of live birth. Only the short-form certifications to everyone.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;.

So, unless Obama has a copy of the original birth certificate, saved from the time of birth by his parents, and not lost since then (and many of us do lose our original birth certificate), then all that he can show is what Hawaii sends, and Hawaii sends out only the short-form certification.

The doc**ent that Obama posted and showed to FactCheck and PoliFact was confirmed by the two officials of the state when they looked into Obama’s records and found an original birth certificate. (At the time Obama was born Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates to be filed.) And subsequently, the spokewoman for the department spoke to the Chicago Tribune and said that the statement by the two officials was proof of birth in Hawaii.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chicago Tribune&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BigD: &#8220;contrary [to] Darrel and his ammo comment, the post had nothing to do with this&#8230;&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  The post didn&#8217;t have anything to do with Birther nonsense? Could have fooled me. Walks and quacks exactly like Birther nonsense. Are there ANY Birther claims that are not nonsense?</p>
<p>Pass the popcorn Adam.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Standard BIRTHER ROAST:</p>
<p>CLAIM: &#8220;The “Certification of Live Birth” posted online and widely touted as “Obama’s birth certificate” does not in any way prove he was born in Hawaii, since the same “short-form” doc**ent is easily obtainable for children not born in Hawaii.&#8221;</p>
<p>Response, SMRSTRAUSS:<br />
&#8220;This is not true in two ways. First when Obama was born this provision was not allowed. Only births in Hawaii were registered in Hawaii in 1961, and Obamas’ birth was registered in Hawaii in 1961.</p>
<p>Second, even today the state of Hawaii does not allow any of its doc**ents to lie. So, when a child is born outside of Hawaii and his parents qualify as Hawaiian residents, the short-form birth certificate must say something like: “Hawaii birth certificate, location of birth: New Jersey (or wherever it was). Obama’s says that he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.</p>
<p>CLAIM: “The true “long-form” birth certificate – which includes information such as the name of the birth hospital and attending physician – is the only doc**ent that can prove Obama was born in Hawaii, but to date he has not permitted its release for public or press scrutiny.’</p>
<p>Response:<br />
&#8220;But Obama cannot show it. Hawaii sends out only the short-form certifications of live birth. Only the short-form certifications to everyone.  <a href="http://www.starbulletin.com/features/20090606_kokua_line.html" rel="nofollow">Link</a>.</p>
<p>So, unless Obama has a copy of the original birth certificate, saved from the time of birth by his parents, and not lost since then (and many of us do lose our original birth certificate), then all that he can show is what Hawaii sends, and Hawaii sends out only the short-form certification.</p>
<p>The doc**ent that Obama posted and showed to FactCheck and PoliFact was confirmed by the two officials of the state when they looked into Obama’s records and found an original birth certificate. (At the time Obama was born Hawaii did not allow foreign birth certificates to be filed.) And subsequently, the spokewoman for the department spoke to the Chicago Tribune and said that the statement by the two officials was proof of birth in Hawaii.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html" rel="nofollow">Chicago Tribune</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again Adam, you take things out of context.  Number one, I did not run away from anything because the post was only to indicate that FREEP was shut down by that post and that I was unclear if it was due to traffic or otherwise.

I also indicated that it would be interesting to see how this pans out.

You injected the other stuff and then when I said I did not want to get into it again you played the game.

But to answer you:

People were allowed to register a non Hawaiian birth during that time frame.  A COLB only takes info from a database and since it does not have all the birthplace info (hospital, doctor etc) it is invalid for many things such as land claims in Hawaii.  I had one but could not use it to get my passport.  Therefore, it proves nothing other than his birth was registered in Hawaii IAW the laws of the time.

The birth announcements were real.  His mother had a very good reason for listing his birth in the paper.  It would show he was a citizen should that question arise in the future.  Nothing to do with his running for office but for the other things afforded citizens.  I could submit a birth announcement right now in a local paper saying that Adam was born.  Does that mean you were just born?  Mommy had a purpose and it was to ensure there would be no question that her baby was a citizen (especially since daddy was a British subject).

The statement from the Hawaiian official does not say Obama was born in Hawaii.  The person said I have seen his birth certificate and it is in accordance with Hawaiian laws (which allowed foreign births 
to be registered).  Here is the statement.  Shoe me where he said Obama was born in Hawaii:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

The have a birth certificate on file in accordance with their laws which allowed foreign births to be registered.

Like I said, contrary the the stupidity of Darrel and his ammo comment, the post had nothing to do with this but was dragged into it by you lunkheads.

I just Googled liberal dumb asses and saw pictures of Darrel and Adam.  Must be Google taking a break from their circle jerk and looking for a few pivot men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again Adam, you take things out of context.  Number one, I did not run away from anything because the post was only to indicate that FREEP was shut down by that post and that I was unclear if it was due to traffic or otherwise.</p>
<p>I also indicated that it would be interesting to see how this pans out.</p>
<p>You injected the other stuff and then when I said I did not want to get into it again you played the game.</p>
<p>But to answer you:</p>
<p>People were allowed to register a non Hawaiian birth during that time frame.  A COLB only takes info from a database and since it does not have all the birthplace info (hospital, doctor etc) it is invalid for many things such as land claims in Hawaii.  I had one but could not use it to get my passport.  Therefore, it proves nothing other than his birth was registered in Hawaii IAW the laws of the time.</p>
<p>The birth announcements were real.  His mother had a very good reason for listing his birth in the paper.  It would show he was a citizen should that question arise in the future.  Nothing to do with his running for office but for the other things afforded citizens.  I could submit a birth announcement right now in a local paper saying that Adam was born.  Does that mean you were just born?  Mommy had a purpose and it was to ensure there would be no question that her baby was a citizen (especially since daddy was a British subject).</p>
<p>The statement from the Hawaiian official does not say Obama was born in Hawaii.  The person said I have seen his birth certificate and it is in accordance with Hawaiian laws (which allowed foreign births<br />
to be registered).  Here is the statement.  Shoe me where he said Obama was born in Hawaii:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,&#8221;</em></p>
<p>The have a birth certificate on file in accordance with their laws which allowed foreign births to be registered.</p>
<p>Like I said, contrary the the stupidity of Darrel and his ammo comment, the post had nothing to do with this but was dragged into it by you lunkheads.</p>
<p>I just Googled liberal dumb asses and saw pictures of Darrel and Adam.  Must be Google taking a break from their circle jerk and looking for a few pivot men.</p>
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