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		<title>By: Savonarola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savonarola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLAKE
my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together- I’m guessing that it thinks those two words are not supposed to be mashed together...

SAV
But we&#039;ve given you multiple definitions to the word &lt;i&gt;freethinker&lt;/i&gt;, including links.  You&#039;re actually arguing that your browser&#039;s spell-check is more reliable than multiple dictionaries.
Normally, I&#039;d just suspect someone was being obtuse in an attempt to get our goat (no, not literally, Blake); but with you, I think it&#039;s quite likely that you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; don&#039;t understand how stupid your position is.

But it&#039;s par for the course when Blake is involved.  He insists that scientists don&#039;t know how scientists use terminology and then insists that freethinkers don&#039;t know that &quot;freethinkers&quot; is a real word.  And in both cases, he pokes fun at the people &lt;i&gt;he&lt;/i&gt;&#039;s wrong about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLAKE<br />
my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together- I’m guessing that it thinks those two words are not supposed to be mashed together&#8230;</p>
<p>SAV<br />
But we&#8217;ve given you multiple definitions to the word <i>freethinker</i>, including links.  You&#8217;re actually arguing that your browser&#8217;s spell-check is more reliable than multiple dictionaries.<br />
Normally, I&#8217;d just suspect someone was being obtuse in an attempt to get our goat (no, not literally, Blake); but with you, I think it&#8217;s quite likely that you <i>really</i> don&#8217;t understand how stupid your position is.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s par for the course when Blake is involved.  He insists that scientists don&#8217;t know how scientists use terminology and then insists that freethinkers don&#8217;t know that &#8220;freethinkers&#8221; is a real word.  And in both cases, he pokes fun at the people <i>he</i>&#8216;s wrong about.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLK: &quot;my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together&gt;&gt;

DAR
  My spell checker doesn&#039;t. Lot&#039;s of freethinkers aren&#039;t atheists.

BLK: &quot;made-up words that will make it into the dictionary&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
Will make it? Blake should read a little about his nation&#039;s history and get up to speed. This might be a start:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Freethinkers-American-Secularism-Susan-Jacoby/dp/0805077766/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1247239228&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism&lt;/a&gt;.

The word &quot;freethinker&quot; would have been in the dictionary back when they invented dictionaries.

D.
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Short version:

freethinkers   
Related: Philosophy 

&quot;Those who arrive at conclusions, particularly in questions of religion, by employing the rules of reason while rejecting supernatural authority or ecclesiastical tradition. The freethinkers believe that independence of thought from such authority leads all men to essentially identical conclusions concerning morality and religion. The name came into general use in the 18th cent. after the publication (1713) of Anthony Collins&#039;s Discourse of Freethinking Occasioned by the Rise and Growth of a Sect Called Freethinkers. The movement took different forms in different countries. In England it was intimately connected with deism but did not break completely with traditional Christianity. It took a more radical form in France. Voltaire renounced all connection with Christianity, and the Encyclopedists broke with religion altogether. Freethinking also has an important social side and influenced the philosophies of the Freemasons and, in France, the Culte de l&#039;Être Suprême. In the United States the organizations established to further freethinking include the American Rationalist Association, the American Secular Union, and the Freethinkers of America. The International Order for Ethics and Culture, organized at Bern in 1908, is designed to investigate the ethical factors in society without theological or metaphysical bias.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/f1/freethin.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Columbia Encyclopedia&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLK: &#8220;my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  My spell checker doesn&#8217;t. Lot&#8217;s of freethinkers aren&#8217;t atheists.</p>
<p>BLK: &#8220;made-up words that will make it into the dictionary&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
Will make it? Blake should read a little about his nation&#8217;s history and get up to speed. This might be a start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Freethinkers-American-Secularism-Susan-Jacoby/dp/0805077766/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1247239228&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism</a>.</p>
<p>The word &#8220;freethinker&#8221; would have been in the dictionary back when they invented dictionaries.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Short version:</p>
<p>freethinkers<br />
Related: Philosophy </p>
<p>&#8220;Those who arrive at conclusions, particularly in questions of religion, by employing the rules of reason while rejecting supernatural authority or ecclesiastical tradition. The freethinkers believe that independence of thought from such authority leads all men to essentially identical conclusions concerning morality and religion. The name came into general use in the 18th cent. after the publication (1713) of Anthony Collins&#8217;s Discourse of Freethinking Occasioned by the Rise and Growth of a Sect Called Freethinkers. The movement took different forms in different countries. In England it was intimately connected with deism but did not break completely with traditional Christianity. It took a more radical form in France. Voltaire renounced all connection with Christianity, and the Encyclopedists broke with religion altogether. Freethinking also has an important social side and influenced the philosophies of the Freemasons and, in France, the Culte de l&#8217;Être Suprême. In the United States the organizations established to further freethinking include the American Rationalist Association, the American Secular Union, and the Freethinkers of America. The International Order for Ethics and Culture, organized at Bern in 1908, is designed to investigate the ethical factors in society without theological or metaphysical bias.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/f1/freethin.asp" rel="nofollow">Columbia Encyclopedia</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all you atheists- my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together- I&#039;m guessing that it thinks those two words are not supposed to be mashed together as you atheists have put them, but that&#039;s ok- I understand that there is a lot of vernacular and made-up words that will make it into the dictionary soon. 
Keep up hope, (or is &quot;Hope&quot; being too Christian?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all you atheists- my spell checker goes nuts when I try to put free and thinker together- I&#8217;m guessing that it thinks those two words are not supposed to be mashed together as you atheists have put them, but that&#8217;s ok- I understand that there is a lot of vernacular and made-up words that will make it into the dictionary soon.<br />
Keep up hope, (or is &#8220;Hope&#8221; being too Christian?)</p>
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		<title>By: Savonarola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savonarola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAR
Some day I hope to find a conservative with the courage and ability to stand up and defend their beliefs forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence.

SAV
Darrel, when beliefs &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be defended forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence, those beliefs usually aren&#039;t neoconservative.  Perhaps if modern Republicans realized this, they&#039;d be measurably respectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAR<br />
Some day I hope to find a conservative with the courage and ability to stand up and defend their beliefs forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence.</p>
<p>SAV<br />
Darrel, when beliefs <i>can</i> be defended forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence, those beliefs usually aren&#8217;t neoconservative.  Perhaps if modern Republicans realized this, they&#8217;d be measurably respectable.</p>
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		<title>By: Savonarola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savonarola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLAKE
you are so wedded to your ignorant suppositions that you can’t recognize the real world.

SAV
You keep up with these claims, but you haven&#039;t shown that they&#039;re true.  Quite the contrary, actually.

BLAKE
We know better.

SAV
No, you certainly don&#039;t.  Would you like examples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLAKE<br />
you are so wedded to your ignorant suppositions that you can’t recognize the real world.</p>
<p>SAV<br />
You keep up with these claims, but you haven&#8217;t shown that they&#8217;re true.  Quite the contrary, actually.</p>
<p>BLAKE<br />
We know better.</p>
<p>SAV<br />
No, you certainly don&#8217;t.  Would you like examples?</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I said Blake is a &quot;car penter,&quot; it would be appropriate for him to correct me. If I continued to call him a &quot;car penter,&quot; wouldn&#039;t it look like *I* had a learning disorder?

Unless... wait, is it supposed to be funny to put breaks in the middle of words? Is Blake trying to make a funny?

Is it funny to say Blake is a &quot;Car penter?&quot;

This is the state of conservative discourse today?

Some day I hope to find a conservative with the courage and ability to stand up and defend their beliefs forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I said Blake is a &#8220;car penter,&#8221; it would be appropriate for him to correct me. If I continued to call him a &#8220;car penter,&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t it look like *I* had a learning disorder?</p>
<p>Unless&#8230; wait, is it supposed to be funny to put breaks in the middle of words? Is Blake trying to make a funny?</p>
<p>Is it funny to say Blake is a &#8220;Car penter?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is the state of conservative discourse today?</p>
<p>Some day I hope to find a conservative with the courage and ability to stand up and defend their beliefs forthrightly, with honesty and intelligence.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, and your technique is to inflate your importance in the free-----thinker process I space those words, because for you they are meaningless, that&#039;s evident- you are so wedded to your ignorant suppositions that you can&#039;t recognize the real world.
You would have my pity, but you are grown, so you deserve whatever hell life rains down on you for your mistakes in perception. Go on being self important in your world, clap each other on the back in an electronic circle jerk, and think you are all that. We know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, and your technique is to inflate your importance in the free&#8212;&#8211;thinker process I space those words, because for you they are meaningless, that&#8217;s evident- you are so wedded to your ignorant suppositions that you can&#8217;t recognize the real world.<br />
You would have my pity, but you are grown, so you deserve whatever hell life rains down on you for your mistakes in perception. Go on being self important in your world, clap each other on the back in an electronic circle jerk, and think you are all that. We know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Savonarola</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savonarola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLAKE
Listen to you self- important toadies go on about your “standards”- what a crock-

SAV
What&#039;s wrong, Blake?  You&#039;re jealous because we have standards, or you don&#039;t know what a standard is?

BLAKE
we present you with facts,

SAV
Not reliably.  You get your butt kicked on your balderdash all the time.

BLAKE
Please try to stay with us in reality, please.

SAV
Blake, I&#039;ve been &lt;b&gt;begging&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; to do this.  Does this mean that you&#039;ll be starting soon?  You know, where &quot;Obama&quot; means &quot;Obama&quot; and not &quot;Frank&quot; or &quot;Franks&quot; or &quot;Gramm&quot;?

BLAKE
Oh- I say free thinker- see the space?

SAV
I do, which makes it obvious that you&#039;re still incapable of both using a dictionary and reading what is posted for you.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freethinker&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;free·think·er&lt;/a&gt;
one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority ; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma

It seems your mechanism for dealing with what you consider difficult big words like &quot;freethinker&quot; is to split them up.  Hey, it works for second graders.
We&#039;re beginning to get a better idea of Blake&#039;s capacity:  fifth grade science level, second grade reading level, first grade problem solving skills...  Who&#039;d have thought that his science knowledge could be considered &quot;advanced&quot; compared to other areas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLAKE<br />
Listen to you self- important toadies go on about your “standards”- what a crock-</p>
<p>SAV<br />
What&#8217;s wrong, Blake?  You&#8217;re jealous because we have standards, or you don&#8217;t know what a standard is?</p>
<p>BLAKE<br />
we present you with facts,</p>
<p>SAV<br />
Not reliably.  You get your butt kicked on your balderdash all the time.</p>
<p>BLAKE<br />
Please try to stay with us in reality, please.</p>
<p>SAV<br />
Blake, I&#8217;ve been <b>begging</b> <i>you</i> to do this.  Does this mean that you&#8217;ll be starting soon?  You know, where &#8220;Obama&#8221; means &#8220;Obama&#8221; and not &#8220;Frank&#8221; or &#8220;Franks&#8221; or &#8220;Gramm&#8221;?</p>
<p>BLAKE<br />
Oh- I say free thinker- see the space?</p>
<p>SAV<br />
I do, which makes it obvious that you&#8217;re still incapable of both using a dictionary and reading what is posted for you.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freethinker" rel="nofollow">free·think·er</a><br />
one who forms opinions on the basis of reason independently of authority ; especially : one who doubts or denies religious dogma</p>
<p>It seems your mechanism for dealing with what you consider difficult big words like &#8220;freethinker&#8221; is to split them up.  Hey, it works for second graders.<br />
We&#8217;re beginning to get a better idea of Blake&#8217;s capacity:  fifth grade science level, second grade reading level, first grade problem solving skills&#8230;  Who&#8217;d have thought that his science knowledge could be considered &#8220;advanced&#8221; compared to other areas?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh- I say free  thinker- see the space? it denotes what is between your ears. Should I use more space for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh- I say free  thinker- see the space? it denotes what is between your ears. Should I use more space for you?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Listen to you self- important toadies go on about your &quot;standards&quot;- what a crock- we present you with facts, you dismiss them, but then expect us to listen to your cherry- picked fairy tales?
Please try to stay with us in reality, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listen to you self- important toadies go on about your &#8220;standards&#8221;- what a crock- we present you with facts, you dismiss them, but then expect us to listen to your cherry- picked fairy tales?<br />
Please try to stay with us in reality, please.</p>
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