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		<title>By: Will Bush be the NAU 'president' in 2012? - Page 6 - Grasscity.com Forums</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-shows-his-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-119101</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Bush be the NAU 'president' in 2012? - Page 6 - Grasscity.com Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] policy goes against the constitution.  His universal health plan goes against the constitution This link (Ignoring the "Hussein" part, I think that whole middle name schpeal was bullsh*t.) also shows a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] policy goes against the constitution.  His universal health plan goes against the constitution This link (Ignoring the &#8220;Hussein&#8221; part, I think that whole middle name schpeal was bullsh*t.) also shows a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-shows-his-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-118645</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,
Not wrong on any of it.  The courts used the meaning of subject to jurisdiction to mean in that territory so they are subject to laws.  The authors of the amendment meant subject as in a subject of the US.

The SCOTUS never interpreted the Amendment with regard to birth here.  The Amendment's authors never intended for there to be birth right citizenship.  They made it clear in their writings that those born to illegals were NOT citizens.  The SCOTUS just needs to read the writings of the authors in order to interpret what is meant.

The same is true with the Second Amendment and now they finally have...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,<br />
Not wrong on any of it.  The courts used the meaning of subject to jurisdiction to mean in that territory so they are subject to laws.  The authors of the amendment meant subject as in a subject of the US.</p>
<p>The SCOTUS never interpreted the Amendment with regard to birth here.  The Amendment&#8217;s authors never intended for there to be birth right citizenship.  They made it clear in their writings that those born to illegals were NOT citizens.  The SCOTUS just needs to read the writings of the authors in order to interpret what is meant.</p>
<p>The same is true with the Second Amendment and now they finally have&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-shows-his-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-118644</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dog, you've got it wrong on almost all counts.

&lt;i&gt;Plyler v. Doe&lt;/i&gt; does NOT have to do with cases of alien parents who are in the country legally.

Furthermore:

"Use of the phrase "within its jurisdiction" thus does not detract from, but rather confirms, the understanding that the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State's territory. That a person's initial entry into a State, or into the United States, was unlawful, and that he may for that reason be expelled, cannot negate the simple fact of his presence within the State's territorial perimeter. Given such presence, he is subject to the full range of obligations imposed by the State's civil and criminal laws. And until he leaves the jurisdiction -- either voluntarily, or involuntarily in accordance with the Constitution and laws of the United States -- he is entitled to the equal protection of the laws that a State may choose to establish."

-- &lt;i&gt;Plyler v. Doe&lt;/i&gt; (1982)

And moreover:

"[V]isiting . . . condemnation on the head of an infant is illogical and unjust. Moreover, imposing disabilities on the . . . child is contrary to the basic concept of our system that legal burdens should bear some relationship to individual responsibility or wrongdoing. Obviously, no child is responsible for his birth, and penalizing the . . . child is an ineffectual -- as well as unjust -- way of deterring the parent."

&lt;i&gt;Weber v. Aetna Casualty &#38; Surety Co.&lt;/i&gt;

It's also ungenuine of you to cite from the &lt;i&gt;Slaughterhouse&lt;/i&gt; cases, as those have been overturned, incorporating the 14th Amendment against the States.  

All that being said, as a sovereign nation the U.S has every right to close its borders, as well as the right to create and enforce an immigration policy that is beneficial to it.

Illegal immigration IS harmful to our society, and every just and lawful means to end or at least mitigate it should be taken.  But exempting the children born within the United States is not one of these: they are citizens.  The proper direction to take is to prevent those births.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dog, you&#8217;ve got it wrong on almost all counts.</p>
<p><i>Plyler v. Doe</i> does NOT have to do with cases of alien parents who are in the country legally.</p>
<p>Furthermore:</p>
<p>&#8220;Use of the phrase &#8220;within its jurisdiction&#8221; thus does not detract from, but rather confirms, the understanding that the protection of the Fourteenth Amendment extends to anyone, citizen or stranger, who is subject to the laws of a State, and reaches into every corner of a State&#8217;s territory. That a person&#8217;s initial entry into a State, or into the United States, was unlawful, and that he may for that reason be expelled, cannot negate the simple fact of his presence within the State&#8217;s territorial perimeter. Given such presence, he is subject to the full range of obligations imposed by the State&#8217;s civil and criminal laws. And until he leaves the jurisdiction &#8212; either voluntarily, or involuntarily in accordance with the Constitution and laws of the United States &#8212; he is entitled to the equal protection of the laws that a State may choose to establish.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; <i>Plyler v. Doe</i> (1982)</p>
<p>And moreover:</p>
<p>&#8220;[V]isiting . . . condemnation on the head of an infant is illogical and unjust. Moreover, imposing disabilities on the . . . child is contrary to the basic concept of our system that legal burdens should bear some relationship to individual responsibility or wrongdoing. Obviously, no child is responsible for his birth, and penalizing the . . . child is an ineffectual &#8212; as well as unjust &#8212; way of deterring the parent.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Weber v. Aetna Casualty &amp; Surety Co.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s also ungenuine of you to cite from the <i>Slaughterhouse</i> cases, as those have been overturned, incorporating the 14th Amendment against the States.  </p>
<p>All that being said, as a sovereign nation the U.S has every right to close its borders, as well as the right to create and enforce an immigration policy that is beneficial to it.</p>
<p>Illegal immigration IS harmful to our society, and every just and lawful means to end or at least mitigate it should be taken.  But exempting the children born within the United States is not one of these: they are citizens.  The proper direction to take is to prevent those births.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-shows-his-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-99037</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 18:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mere fact that Obama says HE "is not going to change the Constitution [of the U.S.] shows that he lived too long under the dictatorship of Suharto where a dictator by whim can do whatever he wants to do.

As a Constitutional law professor, Obama knows, or should know, he is not at liberty to change the Constitution to suit his whim, or his desire.

He should also know, if aware of America's nationalism, that this is a primary problem of Americans right now with President George Bush - that he also believes too well in the Unitary Executive theory of the Presidency that presumes dictatorship powers, not presidential powers.

For all of the impeachment problems the Clinton's went through, never did Bill Clinton, presume the Unitary Executive approach to alter the Constitution from its original intent.

Just a difference in the perspective of Constitutional law professors, or something more?

Someone should be asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mere fact that Obama says HE &#8220;is not going to change the Constitution [of the U.S.] shows that he lived too long under the dictatorship of Suharto where a dictator by whim can do whatever he wants to do.</p>
<p>As a Constitutional law professor, Obama knows, or should know, he is not at liberty to change the Constitution to suit his whim, or his desire.</p>
<p>He should also know, if aware of America&#8217;s nationalism, that this is a primary problem of Americans right now with President George Bush - that he also believes too well in the Unitary Executive theory of the Presidency that presumes dictatorship powers, not presidential powers.</p>
<p>For all of the impeachment problems the Clinton&#8217;s went through, never did Bill Clinton, presume the Unitary Executive approach to alter the Constitution from its original intent.</p>
<p>Just a difference in the perspective of Constitutional law professors, or something more?</p>
<p>Someone should be asking.</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Big Dog, 

Just a little suggestion. There is a plugin called WP-Ban, works good, I utilize it often. Imbeciles like your troll would not have lasted past the 2nd non-linked, topic ignorant comment. But then again, I'm an A-Hole and I love it. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Big Dog, </p>
<p>Just a little suggestion. There is a plugin called WP-Ban, works good, I utilize it often. Imbeciles like your troll would not have lasted past the 2nd non-linked, topic ignorant comment. But then again, I&#8217;m an A-Hole and I love it. <img src='http://www.onebigdog.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonolan,
In the cases you cited the SCOTUS ruled that since the parents were here legally they were subject to the jurisdiction of the state and were in fact citizens.  There is no debate about interpretation when we read what the authors wrote.  It is specific and excludes aliens and other non citizens.

We use to deny citizenship to those who were born to aliens but that changed and not due to a ruling but due to a footnote in a case.

The fact is, the original intent of the Amendment was to deny birthright citizenship to those born of aliens and other non citizens.  This is indisputable when the authors words are taken into account.  We cannot just change things without using the proper legal means to change the Constitution.

Congress should, at a minimum, write a law to clarify this and it will be settled.

The inportant words are subject to the jurisdiction thereof and what those words mean are clearly explained by the guys who wrote it.

Imagine if we took the First Amendment and ignored what the founders wrote about it and said free speech was only legal on Tuesday.  It would violate what the thing means and it would be wrong.

All one needs do is read what the guys who wrote it said that it meant.  Pretty simple really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonolan,<br />
In the cases you cited the SCOTUS ruled that since the parents were here legally they were subject to the jurisdiction of the state and were in fact citizens.  There is no debate about interpretation when we read what the authors wrote.  It is specific and excludes aliens and other non citizens.</p>
<p>We use to deny citizenship to those who were born to aliens but that changed and not due to a ruling but due to a footnote in a case.</p>
<p>The fact is, the original intent of the Amendment was to deny birthright citizenship to those born of aliens and other non citizens.  This is indisputable when the authors words are taken into account.  We cannot just change things without using the proper legal means to change the Constitution.</p>
<p>Congress should, at a minimum, write a law to clarify this and it will be settled.</p>
<p>The inportant words are subject to the jurisdiction thereof and what those words mean are clearly explained by the guys who wrote it.</p>
<p>Imagine if we took the First Amendment and ignored what the founders wrote about it and said free speech was only legal on Tuesday.  It would violate what the thing means and it would be wrong.</p>
<p>All one needs do is read what the guys who wrote it said that it meant.  Pretty simple really.</p>
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		<title>By: jonolan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I hate to type this, the 14th Amendment, Section 1, 1st sentence reads: &lt;i&gt; All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.&lt;/i&gt;

That could easily be interpreted to say that legal status of the parents doesn't matter. In point of fact, the US Supreme Court hasn't rendered an &lt;i&gt;explicit&lt;/i&gt; ruling on this ever. In some cases the Court has &lt;i&gt;implicitly&lt;/i&gt; assumed, or suggested in dicta, that such children are entitled to birthright citizenship: these include INS v. Rios-Pineda and Plyler v. Doe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I hate to type this, the 14th Amendment, Section 1, 1st sentence reads: <i> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.</i></p>
<p>That could easily be interpreted to say that legal status of the parents doesn&#8217;t matter. In point of fact, the US Supreme Court hasn&#8217;t rendered an <i>explicit</i> ruling on this ever. In some cases the Court has <i>implicitly</i> assumed, or suggested in dicta, that such children are entitled to birthright citizenship: these include INS v. Rios-Pineda and Plyler v. Doe.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-shows-his-ignorance/comment-page-1/#comment-88097</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know.  Wouldn't surprise me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know.  Wouldn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
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		<title>By: Cao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is poetrychic meatbrain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is poetrychic meatbrain?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2008 02:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO, Man I haven't seen an asswhooping like that in a long time, well done BD.
Unfortunately libs like the one you just smacked on the nose with a newspaper won't listen. They continuously distort facts and reason to advance their version of socialism that they THINK would be good for us.

Be careful though BD, talking bad about Barack Hussein Obama will get you branded a racist. 
The only candidate you can talk about is white and male oh and a Republican....Sarcasm..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, Man I haven&#8217;t seen an asswhooping like that in a long time, well done BD.<br />
Unfortunately libs like the one you just smacked on the nose with a newspaper won&#8217;t listen. They continuously distort facts and reason to advance their version of socialism that they THINK would be good for us.</p>
<p>Be careful though BD, talking bad about Barack Hussein Obama will get you branded a racist.<br />
The only candidate you can talk about is white and male oh and a Republican&#8230;.Sarcasm..</p>
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