DAR
“The California Supreme Court, in the In Re Marriage Cases decision, noted nine differences in state law.”

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/californiastatecases/s147999.pdf

Those were just the really big ones. There are dozens more.

BLK: “and I do not see how trying to force a square peg into a round hole helps anything,…>

DAR
For more on the square peg thing, I strongly recommend this video clip: “What About Gay Marriage?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSrEiPl5vY

Under three minutes, good stuff.

BLK”: the religious community, seeing that everything did not fall apart, might have relented at a later date.>>

DAR
They can already see that everything did not fall apart. For the lowest divorce rates, look to the first gay marriage state, Massachusetts. For the highest divorce rates, look to the Bible belt, Oklahoma. Canada did it nation wide in 2005. Etc.

BLK: Now people’s positions have hardened, and no one’s budging.>>

DAR
Doesn’t matter. The kiddies think it is the equivalent of being left handed. Novel, a little queer perhaps, but no big deal. The children are the future.

In a few years all of this concern will look as silly as the Christians who fought against women being allowed to wear pants.

I’m not making that up. I have a church pamphlet I picked up entitled: “Pantsuits and the Christian Woman.”

I should scan it in some day and post it.

Why are conservatives always on the wrong side of these social issues?

D.

DAR
No, I only believe the part about her not doing her job is her fault. If she had done her job, as she had agreed to do, Trump wouldn’t have fired her. It makes no sense for him to fire her if she had been willing to do her job. In the email transcript I already cited, she states, she is not going to do her job.

D.

Tam: That is not true as civil unions do not afford couples the same rights as married couples. See Darrel’s post above for some details.

Blake: and I do not see how trying to force a square peg into a round hole helps anything,

Tam: What is wrong with human beings wanting to have the same rights as other human beings? Your square peg/round hole statement just shows that you’re prejudiced.

Blake: Gays and their supporters went about this the wrong way, in that they deliberately poked a finger in the eye of the religious community by confronting this problem head on.

Tam: Gays and their supporters shouldn’t have to pander to any group for equality. When your rights are being squandered that is the exact time that you should confront the problem head on. Why should they have to tiptoe around like second class citizens? Outrageous!

Blake: If gays had said “Civil unions are Okay, ” then perhaps the furor would have subsided,

Tam: Again, why should homosexual people be forced to accept a lesser marriage than what heterosexuals can have? Anytime minorities have been persecuted for their differences and have stood up for their rights there has been a furor. Just because equality makes some people uncomfortable does not make it wrong.

Blake: Now people’s positions have hardened, and no one’s budging.
Is this a good thing?

Tam: Hardened people are never a good thing but this is the problem of those who are hard not the other way around. It will all be resolved eventually because younger people are not typically prejudiced against homosexuality. So once enough old bigots have died off the balance will shift. Just like when the black people were after equal rights, and women, and so on, and so on…

Tam: That is only ONE definition of the word marriage. There is also:
“a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife” or “any close or intimate association or union” etc, etc.

But people with an agenda against equal rights for homosexuals only focus on that ONE definition in order to alienate, punish and keep homosexuals from an opportunity to enjoy one of our society’s most cherished event. It is so obviously unfair.

BD: How is it bigotry?

Tam: Bigotry is all about discrimination. When one group of people decides that another group of people should not be allowed the same rights and privileges as them even though those people have committed no crime that is bigotry. There is no genuine, logical reason to deny homosexuals the right to marry so it comes down to only emotional reasons of dislike or distaste, which is unjust.

BD: The bigots are people like you who try to force a religious institution to accept the things that it does not believe in.

Tam: That doesn’t make any sense. Gay people can be married outside of the church just like I was. When I got married outside the church how did that have any affect on religious institutions? Are you suggesting that I shouldn’t be allowed to be married because I wanted to be married without religious involvement?

BD: Civil Unions are just as good as marriage and lawyers can make sure estates are set up properly. There is no difference.

Tam: That’s not true. The law does not automatically treat both the same, do some research before posting assumptions. Also, as Darrel said if it’s just as good why not let them get married if it isn’t simply an issue of prejudice?

DAR
No. Animals do not have equal rights or equal protection under the law. Humans do. All of them.

To say blacks should have to ride on the back of the bus, is bigotry. There were no good arguments for why blacks should not have full and equal rights and now even the conservatives have been dragged into accepting this.

To say left-handed persons should have to drink from a different water fountain, is bigotry. There are no good arguments for why left handed persons should not have full and equal rights, and since there are no religious edicts against left handedness, no one has had much of a problem with this and we let them drink freely.

To say women should not be able to vote, is bigotry. There were no good arguments for why women should not have full and equal rights and now, except for a few Bill O’Reilly viewers, pretty much everyone accepts this.

To say two adult human beings can marry each other, yet another two adult human beings cannot marry each other, is bigotry. There are *no* good arguments for why gays/lesbians should not have full and equal rights before the law and soon this will be as obvious as the above examples are.

BigD: “The bigots are people like you who try to force a religious institution to accept… things>>

DAR
Nonsense. Churches can do whatever hocus pocus ceremonies they want, or not. Doesn’t matter, don’t care. What matters is the government license and the legal rights it confers.

Bigd: Civil Unions are just as good as marriage… There is no difference.>>

DAR
If there is no difference then let them marry. After all, “there is no difference” right? Lets roast that one now:

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“The General Accounting Office in 1997 released a list of 1,049 benefits and protections available to heterosexual married couples. These benefits range from federal benefits, such as survivor benefits through Social Security, sick leave to care for ailing partner, tax breaks, veterans benefits and insurance breaks. They also include things like family discounts, obtaining family insurance through your employer, visiting your spouse in the hospital and making medical decisions if your partner is unable to. Civil Unions protect some of these rights, but not all of them.” Link
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DAR
You can observe the rapid growth in support for gay marriage, state by state, in each age group, <a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/gay-marriage-state-by-state-tipping.html"here

It’ll all be over soon and you guys can go on to hating and trying to suppress the rights of the next group wanting equal rights. Probably… the atheists!

D.
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“Custom will reconcile people to any atrocity.” –George Bernard Shaw

Besides, the nudie pics happened before she was Miss California. Yeah, I guess they could have fired her but how is it relevant. Trump will say anything. He needs the publicity. I think she was fired because of the uproar over her answer and the way that faggot Hilton reacted to her. But we will see.