DAR
Why would anyone assume that? That would be guilt (if you could show guilt) by association. A fallacy.

BIGD: Kennedy worked behind the scenes to have this defeated because of the aesthetics.>>

DAR
Yes, I know this is the claim. Show this. I don’t think you can.

BIGD: Kennedy opposed it because of where it was.>>

DAR
Show this. There are many potential reasons for opposing this and Ted Kennedy cites them. You have provided no reason for me not to take him at his word. You are making the charge and have the burden of backing it up.

BIGD: Read this at Boston.com>>

DAR
I did. The rightie Libertarian Jacoby makes similar charges/claims but can’t back them up any better than you. He says Ted put a poison pill amendment in to kill the bill. I didn’t check that claim to see if it holds up but I don’t need to. Because killing the bill would be an action completely consistent with Ted saying he was against the windmills for other, substantive reasons, not related to whether they could be seen from his property.

BIGD: I know you will make excuses but there is a reason Teddy worked behind the scenes to defeat it…>>

DAR
Maybe he knew you guys would make up stories like this? He’s been around a long time. Okay, now show it was the reason you claim it was.

I read your article, now read this much more fair article which shows there is a lot more nuance and competing interests being balanced here than your simplistic article lets on.

“Storm Over Mass. Windmill Plan
Plan For Nantucket Sound Wind Farm Raises Debate”

CBS.

D.

I know you have a hard time understanding when a politician says one thing and acts a different way but Kennedy opposed it because of where it was.

Read this at Boston.com

I know you will make excuses but there is a reason Teddy worked behind the scenes to defeat it and there is a reason Robert was involved. What Uncle Teddy wants, the other Kennedys give him.

You made your accusation against Ted, not Robert. Try to remember who you are trying to smear.

Anyway, we’ll never know. Ted Kennedy makes a cogent argument for opposing this particular plan without any appeal to the aesthetics of his property. I see no reason to not take him at his word. This is just a rightwing smear that you can never show. It got a lot of play and I even bought into it until Alan called me on it.

Personally, I think windmills are beautiful. They represent humans intelligently gathering energy.

D.

The campaign to stop the wind farms was started by Cape Cod merchants and wealthy landowners. It’s also opposed by almost every town government. Sen. Ted Kennedy, who has a home overlooking the proposed wind farm, also opposes the project. So does one of Martha’s Vineyard most famous residents, former CBS anchorman Walter Cronkite.

“Our natural treasures should be off limits to industrialization, and Nantucket is one of those treasures,” says Cronkite. CBS

And this from an op-ed by Robert Kennedy:

In his op-ed, Kennedy contended that “[h]undreds of flashing lights to warn airplanes away from the turbines will steal the stars and nighttime views. The noise of the turbines will be audible onshore … [and] the project will damage the views from 16 historic sites and lighthouses on the cape and nearby islands.”

He framed the debate as a clash between industry and wilderness: “[S]ome places should be off limits to any sort of industrial development. I wouldn’t build a wind farm in Yosemite National Park. Nor would I build one on Nantucket Sound … All of us need periodically to experience wilderness to renew our spirits and reconnect ourselves to the common history of our nation, humanity, and to God.” grist

All the Kennedy’s are hypocrites…

DAR
Actually, I used to believe that until Adam pointed out, here, on June 11, that it was a rightwing lie. Now I don’t believe it anymore. You shouldn’t either. Best to update your disinfo, so to speak.

The debunk:

“Kennedy rejected suggestions that he doesn’t like the wind farm because it would be near his Cape home, and said the project probably wouldn’t be visible from the Kennedy compound. He said he’s against the project because it would create a range of environmental and navigational problems and would hurt tourism, one of the area’s key industries.

The Cape Wind developers, he said, want to erect a sprawling, for-profit field of giant windmills on public, state-owned territory. Kennedy noted that the project was the beneficiary of more lenient regulations included in last year’s energy bill, which could have put it on a faster track to construction; therefore, a special deal was warranted to stop it.

Ultimately, Kennedy said, Massachusetts and its governor should get to decide yes or no on the site for the farm, Kennedy said.

”We had an opportunity to right a wrong,” he said of the provision in the Coast Guard bill. ”The people who ought to be irate ought to be the citizens of Massachusetts. I don’t shrink from my advocacy for them. I welcome it. I’m going to continue to make sure that . . . a wealthy developer is not going to ride roughshod over the state’s interests.”

Link

Ask Ted Kennedy about harnessing wind. He does not want to do it if it obscures his view.

Hypocrite…

DAR
Not so. Observe:

“4. THE WIND: CHINA IS BECOMING A GREEN-ENERGY SUPERPOWER.
Looking at China’s immense deserts from an airplane, you would not imagine they could be productive. What they produce is wind, lots of wind. And China is harvesting the wind. China is on the verge of passing the United States as the world’s largest market for wind turbines. The wind power capacity of China has doubled every year for four years.”

http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/index.html

DAR
Different thread but… you have it backwards. He thinks he was forced to retire *because* he made the accusations of prisoner abuse. Again:

“Taguba himself believes his forced retirement was ordered by civilian Pentagon officials in retaliation for his report on abuse of prisoners.”

Hersh is a quacky left winger that reports all sorts of unsourced claims that don’t pan out. I stopped paying attention to him when he said we were shortly going to attack Iran. He has been trying to recreate his “My Lai” home run for sometime. Note:

“These charges had been made by Army personnel after the war and an Army investigation had cleared McCaffrey of any wrongdoing.”

And:

“ABC interviewed Major General John LeMoyne, who oversaw the Army investigation into the charges against McCaffrey. LeMoyne denies the incident occurred: “Nobody was killed. None, zero. Soldiers–the Iraqi soldiers were never shot at, ever, at that point. None of us, hundreds and hundreds of us ever saw a body. None of us.”

Fail.

Don’t like the message, blame the messenger.

D.
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“Gen. Colin Powell,… described the Hersh article as “attempted character assassination on General McCaffrey,”…”