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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/illegals-wont-get-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-140464</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 15:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Gestapo needed- just law enforcement doing their jobs would be good enough- especially if you tell the criminal ones that if they come back across again after serving their sentence, they go back to Mexico feet first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Gestapo needed- just law enforcement doing their jobs would be good enough- especially if you tell the criminal ones that if they come back across again after serving their sentence, they go back to Mexico feet first.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/illegals-wont-get-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-140362</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson said Obama lies.  Stark said Bush sends kids to die for enjoyment.  Which one should receive the harsher punishment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson said Obama lies.  Stark said Bush sends kids to die for enjoyment.  Which one should receive the harsher punishment?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/illegals-wont-get-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-140345</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(Mr.) obama didn&#039;t lie...&quot; yes he did- a lie of omission, perhaps, but a lie nevertheless, otherwise, why would the Senate be so feverishly &quot;fixing&quot; the loophole, if it did not exist?
And as to your next to last paragraph, you are saying even after the reworking of the ENTIRE medical system, things will be the same? Then why waste the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(Mr.) obama didn&#8217;t lie&#8230;&#8221; yes he did- a lie of omission, perhaps, but a lie nevertheless, otherwise, why would the Senate be so feverishly &#8220;fixing&#8221; the loophole, if it did not exist?<br />
And as to your next to last paragraph, you are saying even after the reworking of the ENTIRE medical system, things will be the same? Then why waste the money?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been informed- you are a slumlord, taking advantage of their situation- and don&#039;t you know that renting to your own family is NEVER  a good business plan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been informed- you are a slumlord, taking advantage of their situation- and don&#8217;t you know that renting to your own family is NEVER  a good business plan?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe apologized to the Resident, and wrote an apology- I wouldn&#039;t have apologized to the House either- for what- shouting the truth?
Only AFTER the vote to censure was killed did Stark apologize- rather disingenuous of him, wasn&#039;t it?
And Harry Reid has called Bush a liar several times- the liberals seem to think they have a pass on bad behavior here- and the Demmies want a resolution of disapproval simply because they know you should never punish someone for telling the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe apologized to the Resident, and wrote an apology- I wouldn&#8217;t have apologized to the House either- for what- shouting the truth?<br />
Only AFTER the vote to censure was killed did Stark apologize- rather disingenuous of him, wasn&#8217;t it?<br />
And Harry Reid has called Bush a liar several times- the liberals seem to think they have a pass on bad behavior here- and the Demmies want a resolution of disapproval simply because they know you should never punish someone for telling the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;He took the decision not to apologize on the House floor&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Right. He took the decision not to take personal responsibility for his action by following the house rules and then simply following through with the lightest of taps on the wrist by apologizing to the house. That&#039;s not taking responsibility, it&#039;s the opposite of it.

Bigd: and accepted the censure.&quot;

DAR
a) There was no censure (which is different), there was only a most insignificant &quot;resolution of “disapproval.” The republicans thought it necessary to &quot;censure&quot; Pete Stark, which is &quot;the second highest level of punishment in the House, with expulsion topping it.&quot;

b) Accepting or not accepting is not an option so it doesn&#039;t mean anything to say he &quot;accepted&quot; something. If he accepted responsibility and the house&#039;s direction on this he would have apologized and been done with it.

Unlike Stark, who the republicans thought should be charged with a &quot;censure,&quot; Stark took responsibility and apologized for his action. Wilson refused to take responsibility.

D.
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More Wilson commentary (NYT&#039;s):

&quot;Mr. Obama didn’t lie. The bills before Congress declare illegal immigrants to be ineligible for subsidized benefits. It is impossible to imagine any final bill doing otherwise. Mr. Wilson was a boor, but some Republicans still insist that he was right because the bill doesn’t ensure that the undocumented have no insurance.

    Time for a reality check. Illegal immigrants are here. They are not eligible for Medicaid, but many still get sick and many get care, often in emergency rooms. The current proposals would likely not stop them from using their money to buy coverage through an insurance exchange, without subsidies. Just as they can do now.

    Should we take a harder line? Force people to prove citizenship in emergency rooms? That’s illegal, for good reason. Make verification requirements so onerous that not a single illegal immigrant slips through? Very expensive, and not smart. It would be highly likely to snag deserving citizens — like old people who don’t have their original birth certificates. And besides, we’ve tried that: A House oversight committee reviewed six state Medicaid programs in 2007 and found that verification rules had cost the federal government an additional $8.3 million. They caught exactly eight illegal immigrants.

    In the case of an epidemic, like swine flu, should illegal immigrants go untreated so they can infect legal residents and American citizens? Hard-line Republicans insist that they will fight for citizenship verification. They could, in theory, get the country to spend whatever it takes to do that and proudly report back to their voters. But there is a line beyond which antipathy to the undocumented can be damaging to those voters’ health, not to mention the federal budget. Mr. Wilson and his admirers seem to have crossed it.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/opinion/11fri2.html?_r=2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;He took the decision not to apologize on the House floor&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Right. He took the decision not to take personal responsibility for his action by following the house rules and then simply following through with the lightest of taps on the wrist by apologizing to the house. That&#8217;s not taking responsibility, it&#8217;s the opposite of it.</p>
<p>Bigd: and accepted the censure.&#8221;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
a) There was no censure (which is different), there was only a most insignificant &#8220;resolution of “disapproval.” The republicans thought it necessary to &#8220;censure&#8221; Pete Stark, which is &#8220;the second highest level of punishment in the House, with expulsion topping it.&#8221;</p>
<p>b) Accepting or not accepting is not an option so it doesn&#8217;t mean anything to say he &#8220;accepted&#8221; something. If he accepted responsibility and the house&#8217;s direction on this he would have apologized and been done with it.</p>
<p>Unlike Stark, who the republicans thought should be charged with a &#8220;censure,&#8221; Stark took responsibility and apologized for his action. Wilson refused to take responsibility.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
More Wilson commentary (NYT&#8217;s):</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Obama didn’t lie. The bills before Congress declare illegal immigrants to be ineligible for subsidized benefits. It is impossible to imagine any final bill doing otherwise. Mr. Wilson was a boor, but some Republicans still insist that he was right because the bill doesn’t ensure that the undocumented have no insurance.</p>
<p>    Time for a reality check. Illegal immigrants are here. They are not eligible for Medicaid, but many still get sick and many get care, often in emergency rooms. The current proposals would likely not stop them from using their money to buy coverage through an insurance exchange, without subsidies. Just as they can do now.</p>
<p>    Should we take a harder line? Force people to prove citizenship in emergency rooms? That’s illegal, for good reason. Make verification requirements so onerous that not a single illegal immigrant slips through? Very expensive, and not smart. It would be highly likely to snag deserving citizens — like old people who don’t have their original birth certificates. And besides, we’ve tried that: A House oversight committee reviewed six state Medicaid programs in 2007 and found that verification rules had cost the federal government an additional $8.3 million. They caught exactly eight illegal immigrants.</p>
<p>    In the case of an epidemic, like swine flu, should illegal immigrants go untreated so they can infect legal residents and American citizens? Hard-line Republicans insist that they will fight for citizenship verification. They could, in theory, get the country to spend whatever it takes to do that and proudly report back to their voters. But there is a line beyond which antipathy to the undocumented can be damaging to those voters’ health, not to mention the federal budget. Mr. Wilson and his admirers seem to have crossed it.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/opinion/11fri2.html?_r=2" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that they are illegal means they should be sent home.  We spare no expense looking for a person who threatens Obama but ignore those who commit crimes each day when they walk across that border.

They do not deserve anything.  It is not a matter of them being different, it is a matter of them breaking the law.

It is fairly simple.

Hell, we spend more time putting cops out to catch speeders than to catch illegals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that they are illegal means they should be sent home.  We spare no expense looking for a person who threatens Obama but ignore those who commit crimes each day when they walk across that border.</p>
<p>They do not deserve anything.  It is not a matter of them being different, it is a matter of them breaking the law.</p>
<p>It is fairly simple.</p>
<p>Hell, we spend more time putting cops out to catch speeders than to catch illegals.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say Wilson did not accept responsibility but I say you are wrong.  He took the decision not to apologize on the House floor and accepted the censure.  He knew that would happen but he accepted that responsibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say Wilson did not accept responsibility but I say you are wrong.  He took the decision not to apologize on the House floor and accepted the censure.  He knew that would happen but he accepted that responsibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All responded to above.</description>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLK: And as far as illegals, they need to be shipped back to their country-&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Okay, you will need a gestapo or SS to go around and do this. Why don&#039;t you write to your congressman so he can work to change America into this kind of country that you would like.

BLK: and I know illegals better than you do,&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Actually you don&#039;t. In addition to working with them (as I have), have you ever been married to one?

BLK: you like to exploit them,&gt;&gt;

DAR
  How is it exploitation to rent a property to people who need a place to live? You&#039;re not anti-capitalist in addition to being against humans that are different than you are you?

I don&#039;t ask about legal status because it&#039;s not required. After having several crack head, pregnant wife beating, meth cooking, white trash types, I now specifically look rent to hard working, freedom loving, family raising, cash on time paying, immigrants.

They&#039;re the best.

America&#039;s strength has long been built upon the backs of these people. In fact, since day one. Get informed.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLK: And as far as illegals, they need to be shipped back to their country-&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Okay, you will need a gestapo or SS to go around and do this. Why don&#8217;t you write to your congressman so he can work to change America into this kind of country that you would like.</p>
<p>BLK: and I know illegals better than you do,&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Actually you don&#8217;t. In addition to working with them (as I have), have you ever been married to one?</p>
<p>BLK: you like to exploit them,&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  How is it exploitation to rent a property to people who need a place to live? You&#8217;re not anti-capitalist in addition to being against humans that are different than you are you?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ask about legal status because it&#8217;s not required. After having several crack head, pregnant wife beating, meth cooking, white trash types, I now specifically look rent to hard working, freedom loving, family raising, cash on time paying, immigrants.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re the best.</p>
<p>America&#8217;s strength has long been built upon the backs of these people. In fact, since day one. Get informed.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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