If You Can’t Take The Heat
by Big Dog on Aug 13, 2005 at 01:08 Political
It would seem that in this world if you want to throw stones at people you have to be able to withstand a few getting tossed back at you. As anyone who reads this site is aware, I visit Adam’s on occasion and up until recently, commented quite a bit. I enjoyed the banter over there and sometimes it got a bit heated. One thing was pretty evident and that was, people could dish it out but they could also take it. That is until recently.
There was a commenter who runs a blog. She was very abrasive and nasty. When she got some of that back she was unable to take the heat. This seemed to make her madder. She went to her own blog and made posts with veiled references to me. She also made veiled references to another person who commented there. I returned the favor by mentioning her in one of my posts.
I was not mad or hurt by what she said and I actually thought it was quite amusing. It is a free country (and you would think a lib like her would be all about freedom) so I could care less what she thinks or says. Why am I mentioning this? I went to visit her site tonight and it would appear that she has blocked my IP from entering her small world. It seems rather inane to post about this but after I realized I was blocked I came to this sudden realization that she demonstrated the basic liberal strategy. Make accusations, call names, dirty up the water and then when you hit opposition hide and lock the doors.
This is the same philosophy the donks are using in their assessment of the war. They were all for it and Iraq was a trouble spot and Hussein was a bad man and we agree with the President, now is the time to be strong. We will show those terrorists who is tough. Then some soldiers get killed and the terrorists mount an attack strategy. Bang, all the sudden the donks are screaming that we need to pull out and that the sky is falling. We are afraid we might lose more troops oh please help us.
The donks in Congress are exercising a strategy similar to IP blocking. Well folks, if you can’t run with the Big Dog, stay on the porch (or locked up in the house).
If you want you can visit the site here [this link removed at request of this person]:wink_ee: so go there and see for yourself. When you go leave a message telling her the Dog says Hi.
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I went over and visited the site. There was no sign you were ever there. I couldn’t even find anything I would waste a keystroke on.
What seemed odd is that she can’t think independently. She seems to use the ACLU as her predominate source for her facts. You and I know that one thing… the ACLU is not known to use is facts but rather emotion. Facts just cloud their agenda. Facts also derail their zombies.
Folks on both sides play this sort of childish game. Personally, I think it’s funny either way. At first it annoyed me but now it’s like watching bad court t.v. — It makes me feel better about myself. It really just goes to show that some people simply never grow up.
Dear Big Dog,
1. I didn’t say anything about you.
2. I didn’t lie to my readers and say that you were something you weren’t unlike you who said I was a lawyer. Lying about someone is trolling and immature and that is why I blocked you.
3. As Adam and I have stated, anything that happened was due to you starting it. I tried being mature. I tried stooping to your level to show you how bratty and immature you were being. You went to my site and attacked me personally based on info on my site. I kept it solely to that site. You have continuously misstated facts and THAT is why I have blocked you.
I also know you told Adam that you would stop all this nonsense. Thanks for showing yourself as a liar.
And for someone who doesn’t care, you have devoted a lot of bandwidth to this.
Big Dog:
Does this basic liberal strategy include taking back the seats the Republicans are losing because of the basic conservative strategy is sinking the boat?
However, a large number of liberals (including this one) have never supported the war, even in the months when the Bush administration was pounding the drums. America in general hates this war now though. Better late than never.
Nonsense Nation:
The idea that she can’t think independently has nothing to do with the content of her personal site. I could skim your site and judge you by it pretty quickly, but that would be wrong. If you judged me by my site this week you’d think very little of me, but I’d like to think I’ve given some people the impression that I think on my own. Judgments that quick are…well…they are nonsense. How ironic is that?
N. Mallory:
Don’t let Big Dog and Nonsense Nation set your opinion of her. She is a very smart person when it comes to law. She deserves much more than just a once over. I’m sure you understand this though.
Well, not to turn this into an Adam style slug-fest but let us clear a few things up. I said you can ask this person she just took the bar. A far cry from telling people you are a lawyer, though I assumed you would pass. I believe that Adam asked me not to insult you as he feels I did in the other post. I believe he said he has talked to you and he would like me not to comment about you. You expressed the idea that I should not come to your site and then comment. I did not since I could not get in. I did not lie about anything but you are free to think so. One of the things I admire about Adam is he will not block people from his site and will not erase comments. BTW, you will notice you were not blocked from here. It would seem the idea of free expression only applies to hose who agree with you. Pretty strange position for someone who wants to practice law.
And don’t worry about the band width. I can afford it.
Adam, there is no indication that any republican seat is in jeopardy. You might end up surprised if Hillary Clinton backs out of the race and maybe the republican wins the seat. Clinton can not afford to get bloodied or spend a lot of money. She might have a big lead now but let us see. Even if she stays in and wins she will be scarred. Maryland has a Senate seat open with Sarbanes retiring (Thank God). There is a real good chance the LT Governor, Michael Steele can win that. If he does the long, and I mean long, death grip the donks have had on MD will weaken.
I hate the war. No one likes war. Many Americans know it is a necessary evil. The lies and attacks by Durbin et al does not make it any easier. The left continually tells us we are no safer but we have not been attacked again.
I have communicated with N. Mallory for a little bit and she strikes me as someone who is capable of independent thought. I am sure she will make up her own mind.
The two of you commenting very close to each other. Wasn’t there a mention of somebody’s lap dog over at your site Adam?
And one more thing. I never said you mentioned my name but are you actually going to try and convince us that the incoherent redneck and hating Melissa going together like peas and carrots comment was not a veiled reference to me? If you can convince anyone of that you would be the next Perry Mason, because Stevie Wonder could see it was about me.
I will concede it might be a coincidence but you folks decide. Post from Adam’s:
Emphasis added to highlight date/time.
Post from Melissa’s site:
Emphasis added to again highlight date/time.
Coincidence, I think not. I can see how people would think I am a liar.
Not that I want to be dragged into this argument as I’m really working on my drama-avoidance skills, but I do believe I was commenting on the childishness of blocking someone from their website simply because of a different point of view. I am very tired of people on both sides resorting to childishness and name-calling and all sorts of stuff I thought I outgrew when I turned 30.
However, it’s true that I do not know the whole story and I was making an assumption based on my own interactions with Big Dog, who I don’t always agree with but I find to be thought-provoking.
BTW, off-topic, I have been to Melissa’s website before, though I don’t know that I’ve read much (which I’ll make more of an effort to do since I’ve been challenged to form a more serious opinion) but I like the fairy graphic and was trying to find the artist. 😉
Oy.
Strategic editing Big Dog. Yes I have truly lowered myself to a level but you are engaging in selective editing. I appreciate that you linked to Adam’s site in general instead of the actual nasty argument.
Here it is.
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There’s the whole damn discussion.
You will notice that you went to my site and made comments about my ability to do my job, my professionalism, and a whole host of other bullshit that had nothing to do with the job at hand. Your behavior on this site has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that you are abully. You and Surfside started coming to my site and started personal attacks toward me on Adam’s site before I did anything to you so don’t even start with that. And yes this is childish and I’m not paying to have you act like an idiot on my site. Period. I don’t tolerate trolling and this is the epitome of trolling.
I also know that told Adam that you would quit before you wrote this particular. So it still does not negate your lying. You’re blowing smoke. Also, the times are not as diverse as you would say. There is a variance between my site time and Adam’s site time.
And yes I am still ashamed at my ability keep up with this. SO keep on lying if your self esteem is so fragile that you got to keep this up. But seriously I am done.
BY the way, I have not commented at your site, just about it here. So I am paying for the bandwidth. For you it is another hit.
You probably need to take your medicine. I was not strategic editing. I selected two items to show a correlation between the remark and the time to demonstrate that it was a reference to me. The rest of the post has nothing to do with that fact so that is why it is not there. I appreciate the fact that in your manic rage you felt it necessary to paste the whole thing here but it does not have a thing to do with what I was pointing out.
Yes my self esteem is fragile. That is why I am ranting like a deranged psychopath trying to pull a Hillary Clinton and rewrite history, oh wait, that’s you. You really should see about getting that Rx refilled.
And you can spin it however you want future counselor, the evidence, though circumstantial, points to you making veiled references. I don’t care if you admit it, I know it.
Have nice life. Remember, better living through chemistry.
Everyone, stop this now! It was bad enough to continue it for several days at Adam’s site. It is simply unacceptable to continue here going into week two.
This is not political debate, this is schoolyard bickering. I thought we had gotten past it. Everyone oined in throwing mud — no one’s hands are clean. Now, it’s over. Let’s try to be adults, put aside our differences and move on.
Melissa, just to clarify, Big Dog posted this piece prior to discussing the situation with Adam and agreeing that it all must end. He did not lie. And, I would be very interested in having discussions on political issues with you. Hopefully, we can all get past this.
sorry, “joined in throwing mud”
Melissa:
Wow…look at all those asterisks. My bad… I sure wish you wouldn’t quote me saying fu*k so many times.
Big Dog:
If you want to see IP banning, check out Blogs For Bush. You can try to use the idea of IP banning and freedom to make liberals look bad if you want but we both know it’s a joke. Blogs are more like dictatorships than a representitive democracy.
Please please please please let this argument go. Both of you. Please…it just keeps making us all look stupid.
On to the good stuff….
I’m actually thinking about writing on the Hillary issues you bring up. It’s starting to look like an interesting race, but then again, when a Clinton is involved it gets people’s attention. If you think Clinton is afraid of this woman you are just kidding yourself. More on this later…
Thank you, Surfside. A little early in the day for you isn’t it?
Yeah, Adam. You were really on an “f” roll. I was frankly amazed.
Funny, I was thinking about a Hillary piece myself. She isn’t “afraid” of another woman. It just takes away the “underdog”/sympathy factor of a man criticizing a woman — evens the playing field, so to speak.
I’m an insomniac. No telling when I’ll pop in.
Look…I’m pulling a “Surfside” and commenting three times in a row really fast. Don’t you hate that and wish you could take it back and add more thoughts to your previous comment? I always wanted to make fun of you for it until just now so I’m glad I didn’t.
Anyway…on the subject of lapdogs, mine and Surfside’s comments are 1 minute apart. I guess I’m her lapdog, or something? I like the sound of that…
Did anybody catch the withdrawl of Israel from Gaza? Any thoughts on that?
Well, what you said about Clinton makes me think. I’ve got this idea for Topic of the Week that maybe we can work on sometime…where somebody comes up with a topic and bloggers write about it. Maybe we can get together a group that can tackle that. It won’t be fun unless both liberals and conservatives take part. Maybe we can vote for the best author other than ourselves and the one who wins gets to pick the topic next time or something dumb like that. You seen anything like that before? There might be something already but I’ve liked the idea for some time…
Sit Adam, sit.
Yeah…I’m no big joker when it comes to aerial warfare…but I think that was almost a cluster of f-bombs. Why do I crack myself up?
Anybody here got any instant messengers? I’d rather not get this chatty in comments…
AIM: UberJedi13 (yeah…I was 16 when I picked it)
MSN: aducker@hotmail.com
I’d love to argue with people in IM…at least I think I would.
Sometimes, I do it on purpose. It serves to delineate and emphasize. You’re right, though. I type so fast that I don’t give myself a chance to really review my thoughts. Good to know you get a chuckle from it. :wink_wp:
The withdrawal from Gaza — I’m holding my breath and praying. It doesn’t matter which side of the aisle your loyalties lie; it would be the answer to many problems if it will work out. I’m worried about the power vacuum. The militant Islamic jihad groups/Hamas will try to fill it. I hope the Palestinian Authority has the strength to control it.
It seems unlikely that violence will not erupt. There are four emotionally-charged factions, with the Israeli settlers/protesters, Hamas supporters, Israeli military and Palestinian military. It will take a miracle. But, I believe in miracles. So, I have hope.
Yeah, consessions must be made on both sides and for a long time it seemed that when one side made a move the other refused. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that here. I’ll join you in wishing for a miracle.
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Okay I was misinformed on this issue.
Big Dog, If you look at the time on the PEAS and Carrots issue, it was DURING the actual Adam playground slugfest AND I didn’t make a link. It was me venting. My site is venting. Immature prattlish venting. It’s where my inner child goes and plays and I write about random things like a diary. Honestly the only person who would know what I was talking about is the very few people who would click on a link from Adam’s site to my site. Which is well . . . you . . . and now the people you’ve linked from here. There is a big difference between venting about an anonymous source of amusement or frustration and painting yourself as a victim or mocking me and putting a link to my site.
ALso, I think you have misstated things and spun things in a way that would have Bill O’Reilly hoppin mad so I put the entire thing here in all its immature spitball throwing glory.
I have mentioned many times that I have allowed myself to get sucked into this longer than I’d like.
Yes I am still banning you. I pay for it and you can make medication jokes on your site as much as you want but I am not paying for you to do it on my site. It’s a cheap childish shot and you have done nothing but act cheap and childish towards me since the first comment towards me regarding common sense. Point being is that I don’t like the way you treat me and I’m not going to tolerate it on my site. I have seen the way you and Adam interact for years and it has degenerated to a level that I wouldn’t tolerate on my site either. So I am of an opinion that you aren’t capable of having a reasonably calm discussion. Maybe I am wrong but I’m not going to open it up and find out. So you will continue to be banned. Period. Maybe it’s not fair but I didn’t link to you either.
Seriously. Hillary
Yeah its’ very odd that they managed to find a Republican version of Hillary to run against her in New York. That takes away the husband as a liability issue since well. That’s all I’ve read about it so I don’t really have anything else to say until I know more.
Look…if Palestine and Israel can start to work things out…Big Dog and Melissa surely can get somewhere…
I am not particularly bothered by not being able to go to Melissa’s site. I went there to see what she wrote but if it is a diary, I would rather not read it anyway.
Having said that let me just reiterate (which is a redundant word) I do not believe I ever commented at her site. I made all my comments here and at Adam’s so there it is.
By the way, a ban is kind of silly. If I wanted I could go there right now and comment, banned or not. But why bother, I have no interest. And yes, this is silly. I have a lot of fun with it because it is amazing how some people get their knickers in a wad over petty stuff. But I guess we are done. Melissa, tell your grandmother I said Happy Birthday (and I mean that).
UPDATE: I just went there and checked and I could not find a comment by me (cute dog though).
I never said you commented at my site. I said you went to my site, read personal things, and then extrapolated about very personal things like my mental health and my ability to practice law which is way lower than anything I ever did to you or would even contemplate. I never said you commented on my site.
I must have misunderstood this sentence:
I pay for it and you can make medication jokes on your site as much as you want but I am not paying for you to do it on my site.
I thought you indicated I did it on your site. If that is not the case then I am sorry I misunderstood.
And yes we are but it is not silly to make jokes or comment on a mental illness by implying that they need to take their medication OR to comment on someone’s professional ability to do their job based on a skimming of a website. That is liable worthy and cruel and nowhere near anything I said about you. That is low and cruel and it’s a shame that you and Surfside went there. I would never do that to you. And yes you can comment if you want but once I ban you and have made it incredibly clear, you are then clearly harassing me by coming to my site or commenting over there and I can take action as I see fit. It’s like me saying don’t call and then you keep calling.
It will not be over for me until you apologize because making comments about my professional ability and mental stability is below the line of decent behavior. If you want to characterize it as getting your panties in a wad, go right ahead.
As for the banning, you are still banned. If you are going to make such rude comments about my professional ability by reading for two seconds that I took the bar and was depressed once, I am not willingly giving you access to anymore material. And (to reiterate) thanks for confirming that you went there again and any comments by you will be considered harassment and will be taken as such.
Yes you have clearly crossed a line with me. I told you that I never made any comments about your professional ability for nursing and never would and I meant it.
And what do you know about toughness, you’re a nurse! I’d say that a nurse needs to be kinder and gentler than you are but I’ve given you the benefit of the doubt that you can be professional when you want to be. Unfortunately, you don’t have the maturity to give me the same respect.
I think this was a stereotype but I am willing to believe you meant it in a good way. In any event I have a higher threshold than that.
I did go to your site and read it. As far as I know, reading is not harassing, but I am not a lawyer. I told you and Adam that I would not write about it again. The comment had a reference, heartfelt, to wish your grandmother a happy birthday.
I wish you all the best in the world and I hope you passed the bar.
Yes that comment was a stereotype but it was a response to yours and to show you how below the line you were. Yes you can throw it in my face but this was after many many comments directed towards me. I was defending myself. It was to show you of your childishness. You still crossed a line and you have not said anything about that with comments about my mental health and professionalism. That crosses the line into bona fide defamation in that if other people read it and take it seriously then I might not get work. That is different than saying something about lack of thick skin and kindness and gentleness in being a nurse. Your lack of ability to see the difference astounds me. It is nothing about my skin or lack of it, it is about the level of lowness you are willing to sink for some petty bullshit on the internet.
You were not welcome and you went anyway. You were blocked and you knew it was for you. Also, you solicited people to harass me on your behalf with “{tell them Big Dog said hi”
I’m not sure the distinction between the internet and how the law interprets that but if I had call blocked your number and you called me either through a pay phone or getting people to call from their houses with a “message from you,” you would be violating restraining orders and each call would be a count of harassment. So there you go.
Have a nice life.
Seriously, though, Melissa. No one knows where you live, your marital status, how old you are, what your address is, what law school you attended or in which state you took the bar. No one even actually knows your name. For all we know, your first name isn’t even Melissa. You can hardly accuse anyone of defamation when no one could attach these comments to your actual person/career. It’s the anonymity of the Web.
Now, I never study for the bar — but I’m pretty sure the target needs to be identifiable before any charges of defamation can be considered.
Do you really consider someone commenting at your site that the Big Dog said “hi” constitutes harassment? That’s stretching quite far.
Apparently, it’s not in your nature to forgive and forget. You’ve gotten all the apology you’re going to get and have given nothing in return. OK. That’s how you want it. But, we have had enough. So, please cease and desist.
It links to me. It’s enough. It is an identifiable person. It doesn’t matter that it’s not known. If you tell someone to go away and they continue to come back, yes it is but you don’t know the law and continue to do so.
I can forgive if someone apologizes but there have been no apologies especially from Big Dog.
I am done
Well, if any law offices stop by here or Adam’s and happen to know you, happen to have your resume, happen to link your name to you Web site and somehow figure out your last name and address, then we’ll worry about it. Otherwise, you’re pissing into the wind.
I’m telling you now, Melissa: “Go away.” Under your own definition, if you come back, we will view it as harassment. We don’t censure this site and welcome all opions, but this has really gone too far.