Comments on: How Long Before It Comes To America? http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/ "Let that be a lesson to you, boys and girls. Don't ever argue with the Big Dog because the Big Dog is always right" Tue, 14 Feb 2012 05:27:03 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137717 Darrel Mon, 07 Sep 2009 06:37:28 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137717 Bigd: "Most comprehensive analysis in your opinion and with an agenda.">> DAR The analysis I referred to, "the most comprehensive study that was ever under taken on the two health care systems..." was conducted jointly by an American and a Canadian university. When you don't like the message, blame the messenger. D. Bigd: “Most comprehensive analysis in your opinion and with an agenda.”>>

DAR
The analysis I referred to, “the most comprehensive study that was ever under taken on the two health care systems…” was conducted jointly by an American and a Canadian university.

When you don’t like the message, blame the messenger.

D.

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137547 Blake Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:48:53 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137547 Nor should it- illegals should not be covered at all- it is a privilege that should be reserved for citizens- the illegals use up resources meant for citizens, and in these days, resources are stretched to the limit. There just aren't enough in the way of resources, and the country of origin should pay. If you want truly 'Universal" coverage, you would have to have other countries sign on to pay the costs of their workers here- where the costs do not fall on the American citizen. There should be more of an uproar than there is. When you think that some illegal is using the care that might be needed to save the life of your son or daughter, then it becomes personal. Nor should it- illegals should not be covered at all- it is a privilege that should be reserved for citizens- the illegals use up resources meant for citizens, and in these days, resources are stretched to the limit.
There just aren’t enough in the way of resources, and the country of origin should pay.
If you want truly ‘Universal” coverage, you would have to have other countries sign on to pay the costs of their workers here- where the costs do not fall on the American citizen.
There should be more of an uproar than there is. When you think that some illegal is using the care that might be needed to save the life of your son or daughter, then it becomes personal.

]]> By: Big Dog http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137424 Big Dog Sat, 05 Sep 2009 21:12:55 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137424 Most comprehensive analysis in your opinion and with an agenda. Most comprehensive analysis in your opinion and with an agenda.

]]> By: Mike Radigan http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137391 Mike Radigan Sat, 05 Sep 2009 19:19:37 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137391 Let's assume for a minute that the Canadian health system is good for Canada. That does not mean it will be good for the U.S. The demographics and immigrant population is so very different. Take the largest city in Darrel's home province, Vancouver. It is 46% Asian and some are very wealthy. Meanwhile the U.S. has tens of thousands of illegals with little or no money and are a drain on our healthcare system. One size does not fit all. Let’s assume for a minute that the Canadian health system is good for Canada. That does not mean it will be good for the U.S. The demographics and immigrant population is so very different. Take the largest city in Darrel’s home province, Vancouver. It is 46% Asian and some are very wealthy. Meanwhile the U.S. has tens of thousands of illegals with little or no money and are a drain on our healthcare system. One size does not fit all.

]]> By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137379 Darrel Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:49:35 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137379 Bigd: Ancedotal.>> DAR Absolutely. And completely consistent with my experience. Bigd: I suppose all the news stories where they do find Canadians who want to scrap>> DAR This number is in the single digits, at most. When support for something as important and controversial as health, in a thriving democracy, is in the 90+ range, this means it is a smashing success. Bigd: people in the medical profession say it is not good>> DAR You will always have some of those. The US system is so bad now, that about half of US *doctors* want single payer. They can't take it any more. http://www.madashelldoctors.com/ Bigd: or politicians say it is running out of money or costing too>> DAR Heathcare systems always want more money. No exceptions. Bigd: not as important as two schmoes with a camera...>> DAR Not at all. One should look to the best most comprehensive scientific analysis of these matters, which I have already done. This was just a bonus to add a little flavor. What you don't seem to grasp, like many Americans, is that the US system is so broken that people in other countries struggle to understand why the world's richest country has allowed it to get this way. D. Bigd: Ancedotal.>>

DAR
Absolutely. And completely consistent with my experience.

Bigd: I suppose all the news stories where they do find Canadians who want to scrap>>

DAR
This number is in the single digits, at most. When support for something as important and controversial as health, in a thriving democracy, is in the 90+ range, this means it is a smashing success.

Bigd: people in the medical profession say it is not good>>

DAR
You will always have some of those. The US system is so bad now, that about half of US *doctors* want single payer. They can’t take it any more.

http://www.madashelldoctors.com/

Bigd: or politicians say it is running out of money or costing too>>

DAR
Heathcare systems always want more money. No exceptions.

Bigd: not as important as two schmoes with a camera…>>

DAR
Not at all. One should look to the best most comprehensive scientific analysis of these matters, which I have already done.

This was just a bonus to add a little flavor.

What you don’t seem to grasp, like many Americans, is that the US system is so broken that people in other countries struggle to understand why the world’s richest country has allowed it to get this way.

D.

]]> By: Big Dog http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137289 Big Dog Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:37:01 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137289 Ancedotal. I suppose all the news stories where they do find Canadians who want to scrap the system or where people in the medical profession say it is not good or politicians say it is running out of money or costing too much are not as important as two schmoes with a camera playing Michael Moore... Ancedotal.

I suppose all the news stories where they do find Canadians who want to scrap the system or where people in the medical profession say it is not good or politicians say it is running out of money or costing too much are not as important as two schmoes with a camera playing Michael Moore…

]]> By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137241 Darrel Sat, 05 Sep 2009 01:09:34 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137241 Quite enjoyable to hear the old accent again. Canadians talking about their health care. They look to the south and try to understand, but it is difficult for them. They dealt with this problem in 1966, the year I was born. Just a few minutes. Give it a shot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFX32Ed7ZQ Blurb: "In the spirit of truth, my friend Matte Black (@Shoq on Twitter) and his brother took their video camera to Canada on vacation to interview Canadians about their health care system. When we talked about it, I asked him to try to get negative views with specifics for balance. Here is the result. It has been edited for brevity, but the negative views were not removed, because there were none. He could not find one Canadian who thought they should kill the system." <a href="http://ushealthcrisis.com/2009/09/real-canadians-talking-real-health-care/" rel="nofollow">Link</a>. Quite enjoyable to hear the old accent again.

Canadians talking about their health care. They look to the south and try to understand, but it is difficult for them. They dealt with this problem in 1966, the year I was born.

Just a few minutes. Give it a shot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFX32Ed7ZQ

Blurb:

“In the spirit of truth, my friend Matte Black (@Shoq on Twitter) and his brother took their video camera to Canada on vacation to interview Canadians about their health care system. When we talked about it, I asked him to try to get negative views with specifics for balance. Here is the result. It has been edited for brevity, but the negative views were not removed, because there were none. He could not find one Canadian who thought they should kill the system.” Link.

]]> By: Big Dog http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137088 Big Dog Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:10:01 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137088 It is a disgrace that we do not cover everyone, the only industrialized nation not to do so. We are a free nation and you are free to choose if you want care or not. Those who do and cannot afford it can get care and have it covered under the myriad of programs available. We are a terrible nation that ended two world wars, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, the internet, and the iPhone among millions of other life saving equipment and drugs. There are probably closer to 12 million who do not have and truly cannot afford health care and there are programs for them. Get rid of the illegals and eliminate nonsense from the requirements in the insurance plans and more people could afford it. But the bottom line is that a free person is FREE to choose not to have coverage. It is a disgrace that we do not cover everyone, the only industrialized nation not to do so.

We are a free nation and you are free to choose if you want care or not. Those who do and cannot afford it can get care and have it covered under the myriad of programs available.

We are a terrible nation that ended two world wars, put a man on the moon, invented the computer, the internet, and the iPhone among millions of other life saving equipment and drugs.

There are probably closer to 12 million who do not have and truly cannot afford health care and there are programs for them.

Get rid of the illegals and eliminate nonsense from the requirements in the insurance plans and more people could afford it.

But the bottom line is that a free person is FREE to choose not to have coverage.

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137068 Blake Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:15:28 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137068 THAT is roasting to a crisp? Hell, that's a lot of wind- are you Hurricane Darrel? THAT is roasting to a crisp? Hell, that’s a lot of wind- are you Hurricane Darrel?

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/how-long-before-it-comes-to-america/comment-page-1/#comment-137067 Blake Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:13:29 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=7791#comment-137067 Only in your lala land do we have 46- not 48- your number keeps growing -million people. First, its not even remotely 46 million people- when you take out the illegals, and subtract the young people who want to use their money for other things, you are left with perhaps 17- 20 million people, so lets use a truer number here. No- we do NOT want, nor need a complete overhaul of a system that despite your cherrypicking numbers, has worked fairly well, at least as compared to Canuk or Brit medicine- And Zeke Emanuel has advocating judging the worth of people's lives, as has Sunstein and Holdren so don't lie here- there's documentation. Now we could have tort reform, but Nobamer doesn't want to tick off the Law profession, after all he says he is one. Only in your lala land do we have 46- not 48- your number keeps growing -million people.
First, its not even remotely 46 million people- when you take out the illegals, and subtract the young people who want to use their money for other things, you are left with perhaps 17- 20 million people, so lets use a truer number here.
No- we do NOT want, nor need a complete overhaul of a system that despite your cherrypicking numbers, has worked fairly well, at least as compared to Canuk or Brit medicine-
And Zeke Emanuel has advocating judging the worth of people’s lives, as has Sunstein and Holdren so don’t lie here- there’s documentation.
Now we could have tort reform, but Nobamer doesn’t want to tick off the Law profession, after all he says he is one.

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