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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140748</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BLK: &quot;the 30th coolest August [in US] has nothing to do with climate change.&quot;

DAR
  Correct.

BLK: Isn’t the United States a part of the globe?&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Are Australia and New Zealand part of the globe?

 Best to not confuse weather, with climate.

D.
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&quot;Australia had its warmest August on record in 2009, according to the Australian Bureau of Meteorlogy. Temperatures averaged a remarkable 3.2°C (5.8°F) above average, making August 2009 the most anomalous month ever recorded in Australia. The previous record was set in April 2005, which was 3.1°C (5.6°C) above average... The Australian winter (June-July-August) was the 2nd warmest on record, next to the winter of 1996. New Zealand also experienced its warmest August on record (records go back 155 years).&quot;

http://www.wunderground.com/climate/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BLK: &#8220;the 30th coolest August [in US] has nothing to do with climate change.&#8221;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Correct.</p>
<p>BLK: Isn’t the United States a part of the globe?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Are Australia and New Zealand part of the globe?</p>
<p> Best to not confuse weather, with climate.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
&#8220;Australia had its warmest August on record in 2009, according to the Australian Bureau of Meteorlogy. Temperatures averaged a remarkable 3.2°C (5.8°F) above average, making August 2009 the most anomalous month ever recorded in Australia. The previous record was set in April 2005, which was 3.1°C (5.6°C) above average&#8230; The Australian winter (June-July-August) was the 2nd warmest on record, next to the winter of 1996. New Zealand also experienced its warmest August on record (records go back 155 years).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wunderground.com/climate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wunderground.com/climate/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140745</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 01:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Already responded to this anonymous article the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140720&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;first time you posted it&lt;/a&gt;.

Again, I challenge you:

&quot;pick one that you think is convincing and has the best chance of being true and holding up to a little scrutiny.&quot;

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Already responded to this anonymous article the <a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140720" rel="nofollow">first time you posted it</a>.</p>
<p>Again, I challenge you:</p>
<p>&#8220;pick one that you think is convincing and has the best chance of being true and holding up to a little scrutiny.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140737</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or perhaps you&#039;d like this one better-
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or perhaps you&#8217;d like this one better-<br />
<a href="http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140736</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrel, here&#039;s a little something-
http://righttruth.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c49a69e201053665b6f1970c-popup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrel, here&#8217;s a little something-<br />
<a href="http://righttruth.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c49a69e201053665b6f1970c-popup" rel="nofollow">http://righttruth.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c49a69e201053665b6f1970c-popup</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-official-thinks-we-act-like-children/comment-page-1/#comment-140734</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;predictions that [Gore] says will come to pass (now in 7 years)?&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Let&#039;s see the citation you are referring to. Verbatim please, not some interpretation recycled through a reporter&#039;s imagination.

Bigd: We need to pick the doomsday predictions of Gore,&gt;&gt;

DAR
  I don&#039;t know of any doomsday predictions from Gore. Would you like to share one?

Predictions, estimates regarding the extent of the effect of climate change of course vary. I don&#039;t spend much time on that since this is something we can&#039;t know. What has already happened we can know, and yet, some still try to deny this. Bizarre.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;predictions that [Gore] says will come to pass (now in 7 years)?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Let&#8217;s see the citation you are referring to. Verbatim please, not some interpretation recycled through a reporter&#8217;s imagination.</p>
<p>Bigd: We need to pick the doomsday predictions of Gore,&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  I don&#8217;t know of any doomsday predictions from Gore. Would you like to share one?</p>
<p>Predictions, estimates regarding the extent of the effect of climate change of course vary. I don&#8217;t spend much time on that since this is something we can&#8217;t know. What has already happened we can know, and yet, some still try to deny this. Bizarre.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pretty sure I will not be here in 50 years and if I am I will not remember the bet.

I see very few of the supporters betting.  Is Al Gore willing to bet on his predictions that he says will come to pass (now in 7 years)?

We can work it out but it can&#039;t be some lame thing like a temperature unless it was drastic, too much variability.

We need to pick the doomsday predictions of Gore, who listens to scientists (as you say) and work from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pretty sure I will not be here in 50 years and if I am I will not remember the bet.</p>
<p>I see very few of the supporters betting.  Is Al Gore willing to bet on his predictions that he says will come to pass (now in 7 years)?</p>
<p>We can work it out but it can&#8217;t be some lame thing like a temperature unless it was drastic, too much variability.</p>
<p>We need to pick the doomsday predictions of Gore, who listens to scientists (as you say) and work from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good idea. I am very much for putting my money where my mouth is. We&#039;ll need to work out the deals which would not include NY sloshing around in seven years, something I would never claim. But I tend to consider the longer term consequences of our actions. See the Scientific American article I referred you to. If New York is sloshing around in sea water in 50 years, it&#039;s still a big deal. Even a hundred years.

 There have been many attempts to get GW skeptics to place bets backing up their belief that the earth is not warming. Observe the result:

&quot;The list of sceptics who have refused to bet against the IPCC position has grown steadily since then, and now also includes Michaels, Jaworowski, Corbyn, Ebell, Kininmonth, Mashnich and Idso (all my blog posts and related comments are linked from here). While I would be happy to take money off any or all of them, there is more to this than sceptic-bashing and a few high-profile bets – it could also perhaps result in a working market that would generate a true consensus...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/06/betting-on-climate-change/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Betting on climate change&lt;/a&gt;

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good idea. I am very much for putting my money where my mouth is. We&#8217;ll need to work out the deals which would not include NY sloshing around in seven years, something I would never claim. But I tend to consider the longer term consequences of our actions. See the Scientific American article I referred you to. If New York is sloshing around in sea water in 50 years, it&#8217;s still a big deal. Even a hundred years.</p>
<p> There have been many attempts to get GW skeptics to place bets backing up their belief that the earth is not warming. Observe the result:</p>
<p>&#8220;The list of sceptics who have refused to bet against the IPCC position has grown steadily since then, and now also includes Michaels, Jaworowski, Corbyn, Ebell, Kininmonth, Mashnich and Idso (all my blog posts and related comments are linked from here). While I would be happy to take money off any or all of them, there is more to this than sceptic-bashing and a few high-profile bets – it could also perhaps result in a working market that would generate a true consensus&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/06/betting-on-climate-change/" rel="nofollow">Betting on climate change</a></p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell you what Darrel, assuming we are both still alive in 7 years I wager a dinner that Manhattan will not be sloshing in water (natural disasters such as hurricanes excluded).

If the ice melts and it is sloshing around I will buy you and your wife a dinner and if not you will buy me and my wife a dinner.  We won&#039;t go out together (geography and all) but will pay for the meal.

Deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell you what Darrel, assuming we are both still alive in 7 years I wager a dinner that Manhattan will not be sloshing in water (natural disasters such as hurricanes excluded).</p>
<p>If the ice melts and it is sloshing around I will buy you and your wife a dinner and if not you will buy me and my wife a dinner.  We won&#8217;t go out together (geography and all) but will pay for the meal.</p>
<p>Deal?</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: You keep knocking sunspots but they are the key.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Show they are &quot;the key.&quot;

Why don&#039;t you start with this BBC beginner article. It has the top ten claims with nice short rebuttals.

Example:

&quot;Claim: Earth history shows climate has regularly responded to cyclical changes in the Sun&#039;s energy output. Any warming we see can be attributed mainly to variations in the Sun&#039;s magnetic field and solar wind.


Answer: Solar variations do affect climate, but they are not the only factor. As there has been no positive trend in any solar index since the 1960s (and possibly a small negative trend), solar forcing cannot be responsible for the recent temperature trends. The difference between the solar minimum and solar maximum over the 11-year solar cycle is 10 times smaller than the effect of greenhouse gases over the same interval.&quot;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm

If you have any questions about their answers I can easily steer you to solid science information backing it up.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: You keep knocking sunspots but they are the key.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Show they are &#8220;the key.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you start with this BBC beginner article. It has the top ten claims with nice short rebuttals.</p>
<p>Example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Claim: Earth history shows climate has regularly responded to cyclical changes in the Sun&#8217;s energy output. Any warming we see can be attributed mainly to variations in the Sun&#8217;s magnetic field and solar wind.</p>
<p>Answer: Solar variations do affect climate, but they are not the only factor. As there has been no positive trend in any solar index since the 1960s (and possibly a small negative trend), solar forcing cannot be responsible for the recent temperature trends. The difference between the solar minimum and solar maximum over the 11-year solar cycle is 10 times smaller than the effect of greenhouse gases over the same interval.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/7074601.stm</a></p>
<p>If you have any questions about their answers I can easily steer you to solid science information backing it up.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Adam in part on this.  Colvin is known for the personal attacks and Darrel has not done that any more od to a higher degree than any of us.  Darrel is, however, Bunny on steroids when it comes to being condescending.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Adam in part on this.  Colvin is known for the personal attacks and Darrel has not done that any more od to a higher degree than any of us.  Darrel is, however, Bunny on steroids when it comes to being condescending.</p>
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