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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/government-healthcare-yeah-thats-the-ticket/comment-page-1/#comment-133020</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrel- part of the problem is that whether you are a doctor or a lawyer, if you make a c-, you still get a license.
Add to that that once licensed, many doctors do not continue their education, seeking instead to pay off their costly loans- its a vicious cycle that Nationalized Health care will not help. 
Who will want to be a doctor, if you are paid little, but there is still malpractice abuse rampant. It wouldn&#039;t be worth it.
It&#039;s the same reason we have hacks for politicians, instead of real people with real world ideas- who but the mediocre will take that job? Certainly not Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs. They have better things to do that require less hassle. Who can blame them?
This is why we are left with the choice of McCain or Obama- really no choice a reasonable person should have to make. We deserve better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrel- part of the problem is that whether you are a doctor or a lawyer, if you make a c-, you still get a license.<br />
Add to that that once licensed, many doctors do not continue their education, seeking instead to pay off their costly loans- its a vicious cycle that Nationalized Health care will not help.<br />
Who will want to be a doctor, if you are paid little, but there is still malpractice abuse rampant. It wouldn&#8217;t be worth it.<br />
It&#8217;s the same reason we have hacks for politicians, instead of real people with real world ideas- who but the mediocre will take that job? Certainly not Bill Gates, or Warren Buffet, or Steve Jobs. They have better things to do that require less hassle. Who can blame them?<br />
This is why we are left with the choice of McCain or Obama- really no choice a reasonable person should have to make. We deserve better.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You lie claiming not to lie- how can we believe you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You lie claiming not to lie- how can we believe you?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malpractice is indeed not limited to the VA- there&#039;s incompetence everywhere- but in most hospitals, there is a peer review- here the peer review was the government- and they fell down on the job very badly. This same thing happened to my brother in a different facility, because you do not necessarily get the best doctors at all VAs, or the best care, and government peer review sucks like a wind tunnel in its effectiveness, or rather lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malpractice is indeed not limited to the VA- there&#8217;s incompetence everywhere- but in most hospitals, there is a peer review- here the peer review was the government- and they fell down on the job very badly. This same thing happened to my brother in a different facility, because you do not necessarily get the best doctors at all VAs, or the best care, and government peer review sucks like a wind tunnel in its effectiveness, or rather lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;This is from how many years ago?&gt;&gt;

DAR
  The years are given.

Bigd: Now, how many millions of patients are seen?&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Not relevant. A random sample of 30,000 is more than enough to provide a scientific analysis.

Bigd: What is the per capita rate?

DAR
  Per capita rate of what specifically? If .8% are injured and &quot;1 in 75 of those injured were compensated.&quot; Then we know only a tiny fraction are receiving monetary recourse.

It&#039;s a balance. If not enough doctors fear lawsuits, they get away with shoddy work. If too many do, it drives up costs. There are arguments on both sides.

Bigd: How many people per 100k?&gt;&gt;

DAR
  How many people *what* per 100k? Of interest is the &quot;how many people&quot; per people injured not the average of the general population including people that not go to the hospital. This is addressed above.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;This is from how many years ago?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  The years are given.</p>
<p>Bigd: Now, how many millions of patients are seen?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Not relevant. A random sample of 30,000 is more than enough to provide a scientific analysis.</p>
<p>Bigd: What is the per capita rate?</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Per capita rate of what specifically? If .8% are injured and &#8220;1 in 75 of those injured were compensated.&#8221; Then we know only a tiny fraction are receiving monetary recourse.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a balance. If not enough doctors fear lawsuits, they get away with shoddy work. If too many do, it drives up costs. There are arguments on both sides.</p>
<p>Bigd: How many people per 100k?&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  How many people *what* per 100k? Of interest is the &#8220;how many people&#8221; per people injured not the average of the general population including people that not go to the hospital. This is addressed above.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 02:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: Darrel, YOU ARE A LIAR.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Absurd. I don&#039;t lie.

Bigd: We were discussing military health care and care of our service members.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  We were discussing the VA. The VA is military health and and provides health services to the military. Both are government run, completely socialized, military, health care.

Here is your comment in it&#039;s entirety. I encourage you to go to the thread and read the entire context of what we were talking about:

***
Big Dog says: 
Monday Jun 15th, 2009 at 23:09
“How many here have actually worked in military medicine? The care is the best in the world, the administrative side and the costs leave little to be desired. Military medicine is a bit of a specialty of mine.”  

http://www.onebigdog.net/the-rangel-rope-a-dope/comment-page-1/#comment-132336
***

Bigd: I said MILITARY HEALTH care, the care the troops are getting in military facilities.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  You didn&#039;t say anything about &quot;military facilities&quot; which are also 100% government run, 100% socialized and, as you say, the &quot;best in the world.&quot;

Bigd: You left off the where I asked who had worked in military medicine, not the VA.&gt;&gt;

DAR
If you read the context of that thread, we were all talking about the VA, which you never at any time differentiated from &quot;military medicine.&quot; The VA, obviously, provides medicine, to the military.

BIGD: No government run system is efficient.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  All military medicine is by definition &quot;government run&quot; and completely socialized. The VA is very efficient and much more so than private care. If private care was cheaper, the VA would be disbanded immediately and everything turned over to private industry. The costs would probably double, least. This is because private care is inherently inefficient and filled with perverse disincentives driven by greed, as I have shown over and over and over.


Bigd: VA is a different horse. I have never worked0 for them.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Well then you can be excused for not knowing their recent excellent record. I will provide again the references to scientific research (not anecdotes) that I posted found directly above your comment you think I &quot;lied&quot; about. These show how well government run, socialized, VA (some would say military) medicine is doing:

***
“The fact is that the government-run U.S. Veterans healthcare system is now considered signficantly more efficient than private-sector healthcare according to:

The New England Journal of Medicine (”Effect of the Transformation of the Veterans Affaris Health Care System on the Quality of Care, May 29, 2003)

The Annals of Internal Medicine (”Diabetes Care Quality in the Veterans Affairs Health Care System and Commercial Managed Care: The TRIAD Study,” August 17, 2004)

U.S. News &amp; World Report (America’s Best Hospitals, Military Might, July 18 2005);

the American Journal of Managed Care (”The Veterans Health Administration: Quality, Value, Accountability, and Information as Transforming Strategies for Patient-Centered Care,” 2004,10; part2);

Washington Monthly (”The Best Care Anywhere,” January/February 2005)

The Washington Post (”Revamped Veterans Health CAre Now a Model,” August 22, 2005).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2006/06/policy_why_medi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;
***

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: Darrel, YOU ARE A LIAR.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Absurd. I don&#8217;t lie.</p>
<p>Bigd: We were discussing military health care and care of our service members.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  We were discussing the VA. The VA is military health and and provides health services to the military. Both are government run, completely socialized, military, health care.</p>
<p>Here is your comment in it&#8217;s entirety. I encourage you to go to the thread and read the entire context of what we were talking about:</p>
<p>***<br />
Big Dog says:<br />
Monday Jun 15th, 2009 at 23:09<br />
“How many here have actually worked in military medicine? The care is the best in the world, the administrative side and the costs leave little to be desired. Military medicine is a bit of a specialty of mine.”  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.onebigdog.net/the-rangel-rope-a-dope/comment-page-1/#comment-132336" rel="nofollow">http://www.onebigdog.net/the-rangel-rope-a-dope/comment-page-1/#comment-132336</a><br />
***</p>
<p>Bigd: I said MILITARY HEALTH care, the care the troops are getting in military facilities.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  You didn&#8217;t say anything about &#8220;military facilities&#8221; which are also 100% government run, 100% socialized and, as you say, the &#8220;best in the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bigd: You left off the where I asked who had worked in military medicine, not the VA.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
If you read the context of that thread, we were all talking about the VA, which you never at any time differentiated from &#8220;military medicine.&#8221; The VA, obviously, provides medicine, to the military.</p>
<p>BIGD: No government run system is efficient.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  All military medicine is by definition &#8220;government run&#8221; and completely socialized. The VA is very efficient and much more so than private care. If private care was cheaper, the VA would be disbanded immediately and everything turned over to private industry. The costs would probably double, least. This is because private care is inherently inefficient and filled with perverse disincentives driven by greed, as I have shown over and over and over.</p>
<p>Bigd: VA is a different horse. I have never worked0 for them.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Well then you can be excused for not knowing their recent excellent record. I will provide again the references to scientific research (not anecdotes) that I posted found directly above your comment you think I &#8220;lied&#8221; about. These show how well government run, socialized, VA (some would say military) medicine is doing:</p>
<p>***<br />
“The fact is that the government-run U.S. Veterans healthcare system is now considered signficantly more efficient than private-sector healthcare according to:</p>
<p>The New England Journal of Medicine (”Effect of the Transformation of the Veterans Affaris Health Care System on the Quality of Care, May 29, 2003)</p>
<p>The Annals of Internal Medicine (”Diabetes Care Quality in the Veterans Affairs Health Care System and Commercial Managed Care: The TRIAD Study,” August 17, 2004)</p>
<p>U.S. News &amp; World Report (America’s Best Hospitals, Military Might, July 18 2005);</p>
<p>the American Journal of Managed Care (”The Veterans Health Administration: Quality, Value, Accountability, and Information as Transforming Strategies for Patient-Centered Care,” 2004,10; part2);</p>
<p>Washington Monthly (”The Best Care Anywhere,” January/February 2005)</p>
<p>The Washington Post (”Revamped Veterans Health CAre Now a Model,” August 22, 2005).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thehealthcareblog.com/the_health_care_blog/2006/06/policy_why_medi.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a><br />
***</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had a saying at least around where we were--&quot;If the military would have wanted you to have a wife--they would have issued you one.&quot; And don&#039;t get me wrong--I still love and support our troops and hold no anomosity towards them because they are doing a thankless job and receiving very little credit not to mention very little support or compensation as well from our government but they had to cut costs somewhere I guess. This would have been right during the Carter era.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had a saying at least around where we were&#8211;&#8221;If the military would have wanted you to have a wife&#8211;they would have issued you one.&#8221; And don&#8217;t get me wrong&#8211;I still love and support our troops and hold no anomosity towards them because they are doing a thankless job and receiving very little credit not to mention very little support or compensation as well from our government but they had to cut costs somewhere I guess. This would have been right during the Carter era.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having never been a dependent I can&#039;t say.  My wife and kids were dependents and they received good care.  Both my children were born in Army hospitals.

As a soldier I have never received bad care.  I am sure that there is bad care but the Combat Support Hospital I was in and the Medevac unit I ran gave the best care around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having never been a dependent I can&#8217;t say.  My wife and kids were dependents and they received good care.  Both my children were born in Army hospitals.</p>
<p>As a soldier I have never received bad care.  I am sure that there is bad care but the Combat Support Hospital I was in and the Medevac unit I ran gave the best care around.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from how many years ago?

Now, how many millions of patients are seen?  What is the per capita rate?  That would be much more telling than a raw number that means little.  How many people per 100k?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from how many years ago?</p>
<p>Now, how many millions of patients are seen?  What is the per capita rate?  That would be much more telling than a raw number that means little.  How many people per 100k?</p>
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