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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/global-warming-hoax-is-dying-a-slow-death/comment-page-1/#comment-147985</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRAN: &#039;They keep tossing up their bogus data — none of which comes with an error bar &quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Well I&#039;ve tried to make a few comments in the comment section of Mr. Porretto&#039;s article linked above, but they have all been censored.

Apparently Mr. Porretto doesn&#039;t tolerate informed dissent. This is understandable. Most of his claims are false, absurdly false (and that&#039;s harder to do than you think).

As with above. Contrary to what he claims, all scientific models and estimates of future scenarios have error bars. Every, single, one.

When you lie, make it a big one eh Francis?

Coward.

D.
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Big firm paw shake to Bigdog for not censoring dissenting opinion on his site. I had forgot how much I hate intellectual cowards like Francis W. Porretto and his ilk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRAN: &#8216;They keep tossing up their bogus data — none of which comes with an error bar &#8220;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Well I&#8217;ve tried to make a few comments in the comment section of Mr. Porretto&#8217;s article linked above, but they have all been censored.</p>
<p>Apparently Mr. Porretto doesn&#8217;t tolerate informed dissent. This is understandable. Most of his claims are false, absurdly false (and that&#8217;s harder to do than you think).</p>
<p>As with above. Contrary to what he claims, all scientific models and estimates of future scenarios have error bars. Every, single, one.</p>
<p>When you lie, make it a big one eh Francis?</p>
<p>Coward.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Big firm paw shake to Bigdog for not censoring dissenting opinion on his site. I had forgot how much I hate intellectual cowards like Francis W. Porretto and his ilk.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/global-warming-hoax-is-dying-a-slow-death/comment-page-1/#comment-147885</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRAN: &quot;They keep tossing up their bogus data — none of which comes with an error bar —&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Wrong.

FRAN: and their refuted models and conjectures,&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Forgot to bring any data for this one.

FRAN: &quot;Oh, by the way, “Darrel,” I hold a PhD in physics, and my dissertation work was on gas turbulence,&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  So you&#039;re an expert in farts. EXCELLENT. No, actually, I am very glad to hear it. Seriously. I just had dinner, as I do weekly, with my good friend and physicist on retainer. He received his PhD in physics in 1966, worked at Los Alamos, worked a bit with Feynman.

Now, to show my cards... I have a high school degree and own nine goats here in Arkansas. So it seems we are pretty evenly matched.

FRAN: &quot;I dare say I’m rather more informed and knowledgeable on the subject of energy transfer through a heterogeneous fluid medium than you are.&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Well then we&#039;ll see if any of that comes in handy when you are struggling to defend your extraordinary (and false) positions regarding climate change. I&#039;m gonna go out on a limb and say no. You&#039;re out of your field of expertise, you&#039;re an ideologue and you&#039;re sloppy. The record shows that having a degree doesn&#039;t actually mean one knows how to think (critically), or construct an argument.

FRAN: So much for your supercilious emissions of scorn.&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Oh you haven&#039;t seen anything dear. I&#039;m gonna open up a big can of extra grade whoop ass for you. And I can do it very politely if you like.

Now, would you like to try and actually make a case for something here or would you like me to start by shredding the obvious howlers and factual misstatements of fact at the link you provided?

Your choice.

D.
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ps. I am familiar with the &quot;error bar&quot; angle you are going with and congratulations on at least using something creative and slightly new!

pps. You could also try posting your best argument or two in our &lt;a href=&quot;http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;freethinker forum&lt;/a&gt;. We don&#039;t censor, it&#039;s easy to post pictures, edit posts etc. Here, your place, or mine. Let&#039;s begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRAN: &#8220;They keep tossing up their bogus data — none of which comes with an error bar —&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Wrong.</p>
<p>FRAN: and their refuted models and conjectures,&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Forgot to bring any data for this one.</p>
<p>FRAN: &#8220;Oh, by the way, “Darrel,” I hold a PhD in physics, and my dissertation work was on gas turbulence,&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  So you&#8217;re an expert in farts. EXCELLENT. No, actually, I am very glad to hear it. Seriously. I just had dinner, as I do weekly, with my good friend and physicist on retainer. He received his PhD in physics in 1966, worked at Los Alamos, worked a bit with Feynman.</p>
<p>Now, to show my cards&#8230; I have a high school degree and own nine goats here in Arkansas. So it seems we are pretty evenly matched.</p>
<p>FRAN: &#8220;I dare say I’m rather more informed and knowledgeable on the subject of energy transfer through a heterogeneous fluid medium than you are.&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Well then we&#8217;ll see if any of that comes in handy when you are struggling to defend your extraordinary (and false) positions regarding climate change. I&#8217;m gonna go out on a limb and say no. You&#8217;re out of your field of expertise, you&#8217;re an ideologue and you&#8217;re sloppy. The record shows that having a degree doesn&#8217;t actually mean one knows how to think (critically), or construct an argument.</p>
<p>FRAN: So much for your supercilious emissions of scorn.&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Oh you haven&#8217;t seen anything dear. I&#8217;m gonna open up a big can of extra grade whoop ass for you. And I can do it very politely if you like.</p>
<p>Now, would you like to try and actually make a case for something here or would you like me to start by shredding the obvious howlers and factual misstatements of fact at the link you provided?</p>
<p>Your choice.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
ps. I am familiar with the &#8220;error bar&#8221; angle you are going with and congratulations on at least using something creative and slightly new!</p>
<p>pps. You could also try posting your best argument or two in our <a href="http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/index.php" rel="nofollow">freethinker forum</a>. We don&#8217;t censor, it&#8217;s easy to post pictures, edit posts etc. Here, your place, or mine. Let&#8217;s begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, so now we can&#039;t refute your anti-science garbage using the words of real scientists...because they lie for money?  Well, that&#039;s very convenient, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, so now we can&#8217;t refute your anti-science garbage using the words of real scientists&#8230;because they lie for money?  Well, that&#8217;s very convenient, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Robie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Robie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One could hope that the why of &quot; why we never tarred and feathered these people…&quot; is the Constitution &amp; rule of law . . . besides &quot;these people&quot; being wrong for not being right enough.  

However, because the scientists are scientific, while the MSM and blogosphere exist as a badly scripted real world iteration of a reality TV show, big or small (left or right), our roles in this theater of the absurd means we leave behind a story for which the concept of &quot;enemies... domestic&quot; regarding protecting and defending the Constitution, is an understated euphemism.

Can Dog thank God for a Constitution that protects a brilliant irresponsible (mis)use of free speech, while anti-Doggers can thank motivated reasoning for the pious feeling being anti-Dog invokes?  As the social chaos continues to unfold and the flash frozen economic collapse subsequently thaws, it really won&#039;t matter . . . beyond that the unrecorded story will be that this generation trusted the echos of IT enhanced pontifications and feelings while society committed economic, social, and environmental suicide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One could hope that the why of &#8221; why we never tarred and feathered these people…&#8221; is the Constitution &amp; rule of law . . . besides &#8220;these people&#8221; being wrong for not being right enough.  </p>
<p>However, because the scientists are scientific, while the MSM and blogosphere exist as a badly scripted real world iteration of a reality TV show, big or small (left or right), our roles in this theater of the absurd means we leave behind a story for which the concept of &#8220;enemies&#8230; domestic&#8221; regarding protecting and defending the Constitution, is an understated euphemism.</p>
<p>Can Dog thank God for a Constitution that protects a brilliant irresponsible (mis)use of free speech, while anti-Doggers can thank motivated reasoning for the pious feeling being anti-Dog invokes?  As the social chaos continues to unfold and the flash frozen economic collapse subsequently thaws, it really won&#8217;t matter . . . beyond that the unrecorded story will be that this generation trusted the echos of IT enhanced pontifications and feelings while society committed economic, social, and environmental suicide.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis W. Porretto</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/global-warming-hoax-is-dying-a-slow-death/comment-page-1/#comment-147837</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis W. Porretto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing, isn&#039;t it? They keep tossing up their bogus data -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/pdooma/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;none of which comes with an error bar&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; -- and their refuted models and conjectures, as if repetition could somehow turn a sow&#039;s ear of noise into a silk purse of prediction.

Oh, by the way, &quot;Darrel,&quot; I hold a PhD in physics, and my dissertation work was on gas turbulence, so I dare say I&#039;m rather more informed and knowledgeable on the subject of energy transfer through a heterogeneous fluid medium than you are. So much for your supercilious emissions of scorn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing, isn&#8217;t it? They keep tossing up their bogus data &#8212; <a href="http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/pdooma/" rel="nofollow"><b>none of which comes with an error bar</b></a> &#8212; and their refuted models and conjectures, as if repetition could somehow turn a sow&#8217;s ear of noise into a silk purse of prediction.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, &#8220;Darrel,&#8221; I hold a PhD in physics, and my dissertation work was on gas turbulence, so I dare say I&#8217;m rather more informed and knowledgeable on the subject of energy transfer through a heterogeneous fluid medium than you are. So much for your supercilious emissions of scorn.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientific American, oooh.

Climate gate, scientists lie for money.  We will not have climate problems or global warming that is man caused.

End of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientific American, oooh.</p>
<p>Climate gate, scientists lie for money.  We will not have climate problems or global warming that is man caused.</p>
<p>End of story.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/global-warming-hoax-is-dying-a-slow-death/comment-page-1/#comment-147832</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 17:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fran: &quot;all the warmistas have left is insult&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Well, there are a few little bits of data like:

&quot;The past year, 2009, tied as the second warmest year in the 130 years of global instrumental temperature records, in the surface temperature analysis of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS).&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/01/2009-temperatures-by-jim-hansen/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt;.

You are terribly misinformed on this subject Francis. If you like to try and defend any of the assertions you just made, I promise you it would be instructive.

Again, every single global warming denier argument you have ever floated, including the above stuff, is carefully dismantled in this short and well referenced article in Scientific American.

November 30, 2009

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seven Answers to Climate Contrarian Nonsense&lt;/a&gt;.

If you want to speak seriously about this subject, you need to get up to speed and that includes dealing with the material that demolishes the lies you have been told by ideologues who know nothing about science.

D.
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Course, if you get your information from that climatologist Sean Hananity over at Fox, you get a different story:

***
Sean Hannity keeps claiming that 2009 was the &quot;coldest year on record.&quot; He did it again... on Monday night.

It&#039;s not the first time. It is, in fact, the fourth time he has made this claim in recent weeks, or one like it (at first he claimed it was the &quot;ninth coldest year on record&quot; -- the guy can&#039;t even lie consistently).

&lt;a href=&quot;http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=20556#p20556&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Debunk here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran: &#8220;all the warmistas have left is insult&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Well, there are a few little bits of data like:</p>
<p>&#8220;The past year, 2009, tied as the second warmest year in the 130 years of global instrumental temperature records, in the surface temperature analysis of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS).&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/01/2009-temperatures-by-jim-hansen/" rel="nofollow">Link</a>.</p>
<p>You are terribly misinformed on this subject Francis. If you like to try and defend any of the assertions you just made, I promise you it would be instructive.</p>
<p>Again, every single global warming denier argument you have ever floated, including the above stuff, is carefully dismantled in this short and well referenced article in Scientific American.</p>
<p>November 30, 2009</p>
<p><a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=seven-answers-to-climate-contrarian-nonsense" rel="nofollow">Seven Answers to Climate Contrarian Nonsense</a>.</p>
<p>If you want to speak seriously about this subject, you need to get up to speed and that includes dealing with the material that demolishes the lies you have been told by ideologues who know nothing about science.</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Course, if you get your information from that climatologist Sean Hananity over at Fox, you get a different story:</p>
<p>***<br />
Sean Hannity keeps claiming that 2009 was the &#8220;coldest year on record.&#8221; He did it again&#8230; on Monday night.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the first time. It is, in fact, the fourth time he has made this claim in recent weeks, or one like it (at first he claimed it was the &#8220;ninth coldest year on record&#8221; &#8212; the guy can&#8217;t even lie consistently).</p>
<p><a href="http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=20556#p20556" rel="nofollow">Debunk here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis W. Porretto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis W. Porretto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Left wants a climate crisis worse than anything -- even worse than a health-care crisis -- because it could be used to justify a totalitarian State over all of Mankind. With the Left in charge, of course; we freedom weenies wouldn&#039;t have anything to do with such a monstrosity.

So now that the &quot;evidence&quot; for global warming has been shown to be faked or distorted tendentiously, all the computer models have failed every test of prediction, and the &quot;researchers&quot; themselves proved to be deceivers by their own words, all the &lt;i&gt;warmistas&lt;/i&gt; have left is insult and invective against us &quot;deniers.&quot; Which, come to think of it, is par for the course with the Left. Communism survives on that basis alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left wants a climate crisis worse than anything &#8212; even worse than a health-care crisis &#8212; because it could be used to justify a totalitarian State over all of Mankind. With the Left in charge, of course; we freedom weenies wouldn&#8217;t have anything to do with such a monstrosity.</p>
<p>So now that the &#8220;evidence&#8221; for global warming has been shown to be faked or distorted tendentiously, all the computer models have failed every test of prediction, and the &#8220;researchers&#8221; themselves proved to be deceivers by their own words, all the <i>warmistas</i> have left is insult and invective against us &#8220;deniers.&#8221; Which, come to think of it, is par for the course with the Left. Communism survives on that basis alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m not laughing at them.  It&#039;s kind of sad at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m not laughing at them.  It&#8217;s kind of sad at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Mildam</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/global-warming-hoax-is-dying-a-slow-death/comment-page-1/#comment-147757</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Mildam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another week, another prediction that the &quot;hoax has been exposed&quot;!

You wingnuts are funny....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another week, another prediction that the &#8220;hoax has been exposed&#8221;!</p>
<p>You wingnuts are funny&#8230;.</p>
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