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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/fraudulent-ballots-yes-fraudulent-candidate-who-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-124921</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What mountains of evidence?  I see people who have little inclination to vote.  I see people scrubbed from voter roles and sometimes by accident.  There is no deliberate attempt but I can see why they shut down groups.  Look at ACORN, if they are any indication then we need even tighter control.

Why is it Democrats say that loose control over Wall Street caused the problems but believe loose control over voting is OK and will not lead to abuse.  Motor voter laws encourage ILLEGALS to vote because they can get a license and are offered the chance to register without proving they are citizens.  Millions of them vote but that is OK and folks like you push for even more lax immigration laws.

I care about deliberate and illegal suppression.  I don&#039;t care about some minor inconvenience like having to show an ID which I think makes the process more honest.  Everyone has or can get an ID.  Maybe something simple like a voter registration card with a photo.

I can still vote because I ensure I am registered, I vote in each election, I have no criminal record, and I have a valid address.  I also know how to read and write, and do not have nuances on my forms.  If you are unable to fill out the form or use the machine then maybe you should learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What mountains of evidence?  I see people who have little inclination to vote.  I see people scrubbed from voter roles and sometimes by accident.  There is no deliberate attempt but I can see why they shut down groups.  Look at ACORN, if they are any indication then we need even tighter control.</p>
<p>Why is it Democrats say that loose control over Wall Street caused the problems but believe loose control over voting is OK and will not lead to abuse.  Motor voter laws encourage ILLEGALS to vote because they can get a license and are offered the chance to register without proving they are citizens.  Millions of them vote but that is OK and folks like you push for even more lax immigration laws.</p>
<p>I care about deliberate and illegal suppression.  I don&#8217;t care about some minor inconvenience like having to show an ID which I think makes the process more honest.  Everyone has or can get an ID.  Maybe something simple like a voter registration card with a photo.</p>
<p>I can still vote because I ensure I am registered, I vote in each election, I have no criminal record, and I have a valid address.  I also know how to read and write, and do not have nuances on my forms.  If you are unable to fill out the form or use the machine then maybe you should learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 15:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to complain about the same things I always complain about whether Obama wins or loses. There is no evidence of any systemic voter fraud in this country but a mountain of evidence that voter suppression is a problem.  

There is absolutely no doubt that laws have been changed to tighten the ability of groups to register voters, that voter ID laws have been passed that make it harder to vote, that laws have been passed to make it easier to block registration over tiny issues in registration forms, that caging lists are being used to strike voters from the rolls even if they are legitimate voters, that voting machines are more likely to be defective or fewer or votes to be miscounted in minority and poor districts, that provisional ballots have been used to keep voters from casting real ballots and then they go largely uncounted and unchecked.  The list goes on and on, despite your insistence to the contrary...

But to care about voter suppression you have to actually care about the right to vote which you obviously don&#039;t so long as you can still vote.  It paints a sad little picture...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to complain about the same things I always complain about whether Obama wins or loses. There is no evidence of any systemic voter fraud in this country but a mountain of evidence that voter suppression is a problem.  </p>
<p>There is absolutely no doubt that laws have been changed to tighten the ability of groups to register voters, that voter ID laws have been passed that make it harder to vote, that laws have been passed to make it easier to block registration over tiny issues in registration forms, that caging lists are being used to strike voters from the rolls even if they are legitimate voters, that voting machines are more likely to be defective or fewer or votes to be miscounted in minority and poor districts, that provisional ballots have been used to keep voters from casting real ballots and then they go largely uncounted and unchecked.  The list goes on and on, despite your insistence to the contrary&#8230;</p>
<p>But to care about voter suppression you have to actually care about the right to vote which you obviously don&#8217;t so long as you can still vote.  It paints a sad little picture&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/fraudulent-ballots-yes-fraudulent-candidate-who-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-124914</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, All I said was that Obama had to work harder because McCain did not have to do fund raising.  But, Obama&#039;s October money has dropped very noticeably so they are on the same footing.  The reality is, I don&#039;t care how much money he took in, the Republicans were outspent in 2000 and 2004 and still won.  Obama lied about accepting public funding.  He proved that he was opportunistic and could not keep his word.

Obama is a Socialist and his history (what little there is) shows that.  He has yet to prove his citizenship and that is all I am asking for.  Prove it.  You need a BC for many things, why not to show you are a citizen.  And no, a computer generated document will not do it.

The economy stupid.  The one that has been raped by Democrats whose lax policies and refusal to heed the warnings of Bush and McCain while allowing their buddies to make millions of dollars.  The crisis that Barney Frank said was not coming and that all was well.  The financial crisis that has already happened and will heal itself with or without the influx of taxpayer money.

You see, people never complain when they make a killing in the stock market but they expect government to bail them out when they lose.  People did not complain when they though that the value of their house would go up and they would be able to sell for a profit.  When it did not happen they lost the gamble and now they want government to bail them out.

The fact is, average people already took the economic hit.  Our stocks went down, our retirements went down and they will go back up, history shows us that.  What we did not need was to add to the problem by spending 700 billion of money that we don&#039;t have to help out rich people who, with the help of Democrats, screwed us.

All I will say is don&#039;t believe the polling you see.  Obama might win but it will be 51-49.  There are a lot of people who will reconcile their feelings about this in the next week and McCain might just win.  

If he does I do not want to hear, nor will I entertain from you or anyone else, the words fraud.

I will also take great joy in watching the left and the media (redundant) melt down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, All I said was that Obama had to work harder because McCain did not have to do fund raising.  But, Obama&#8217;s October money has dropped very noticeably so they are on the same footing.  The reality is, I don&#8217;t care how much money he took in, the Republicans were outspent in 2000 and 2004 and still won.  Obama lied about accepting public funding.  He proved that he was opportunistic and could not keep his word.</p>
<p>Obama is a Socialist and his history (what little there is) shows that.  He has yet to prove his citizenship and that is all I am asking for.  Prove it.  You need a BC for many things, why not to show you are a citizen.  And no, a computer generated document will not do it.</p>
<p>The economy stupid.  The one that has been raped by Democrats whose lax policies and refusal to heed the warnings of Bush and McCain while allowing their buddies to make millions of dollars.  The crisis that Barney Frank said was not coming and that all was well.  The financial crisis that has already happened and will heal itself with or without the influx of taxpayer money.</p>
<p>You see, people never complain when they make a killing in the stock market but they expect government to bail them out when they lose.  People did not complain when they though that the value of their house would go up and they would be able to sell for a profit.  When it did not happen they lost the gamble and now they want government to bail them out.</p>
<p>The fact is, average people already took the economic hit.  Our stocks went down, our retirements went down and they will go back up, history shows us that.  What we did not need was to add to the problem by spending 700 billion of money that we don&#8217;t have to help out rich people who, with the help of Democrats, screwed us.</p>
<p>All I will say is don&#8217;t believe the polling you see.  Obama might win but it will be 51-49.  There are a lot of people who will reconcile their feelings about this in the next week and McCain might just win.  </p>
<p>If he does I do not want to hear, nor will I entertain from you or anyone else, the words fraud.</p>
<p>I will also take great joy in watching the left and the media (redundant) melt down.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Obama paid ACORN for services.  ACORN&#039;s employees took part in fraud?  So therefor Obama paid for fraud?  As the judge said in Philly, you have &quot;ventured into the unreasonable.&quot;

Obama paid ACORN for GOTV in the primary.  Was it mislabeled and was he forced to correct that? Sure.  Did he pay $800,000 for fraud?  No.  What is fraudulent about getting out the vote?  There also is absolutely no evidence that ACORN paid workers to commit fraud, only that workers employed to gather registrations submitted fraudulent names to make more money.  It&#039;s on ACORN of course to clean this junk up because it&#039;s not the first or even the second time this garbage has happened.  Still, to suggest Obama paid for fraud?  One giant leap for dog kind.

You take large leaps because you&#039;re desperate to smear Obama.  That&#039;s the problem with this election.  McCain waited too long to attack Obama on what really sticks (blame his advisor&#039;s) and he&#039;s got a chorus of folks like you screaming at the top of their lungs stuff about fraud and birth certificates.  Rome is burning, man.

You were here talking about Obama&#039;s non-existent money problem, calling him a socialist, attacking his citizenship, calling him a terrorist, and all the while folks were biting their nails to the frazzle over this economy, the DOW was doping 500+ points every few days, and the fiscal conservative in the White House was calling for $700 billion to make it all okay.  Dare I bring back the Carvillesque phrase from the Clinton years?

Has McCain already lost?  Of course not.  But he&#039;s in very poor shape going into the last week of the election and he&#039;s got only his campaign and you folks to blame. Instead of correcting the record, framing the debate to question Dems on the economy, you guys have played guilt by association, made crazy accusations, repeated outright myth and fabrications, and then cried about the media when none of that got traction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Obama paid ACORN for services.  ACORN&#8217;s employees took part in fraud?  So therefor Obama paid for fraud?  As the judge said in Philly, you have &#8220;ventured into the unreasonable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Obama paid ACORN for GOTV in the primary.  Was it mislabeled and was he forced to correct that? Sure.  Did he pay $800,000 for fraud?  No.  What is fraudulent about getting out the vote?  There also is absolutely no evidence that ACORN paid workers to commit fraud, only that workers employed to gather registrations submitted fraudulent names to make more money.  It&#8217;s on ACORN of course to clean this junk up because it&#8217;s not the first or even the second time this garbage has happened.  Still, to suggest Obama paid for fraud?  One giant leap for dog kind.</p>
<p>You take large leaps because you&#8217;re desperate to smear Obama.  That&#8217;s the problem with this election.  McCain waited too long to attack Obama on what really sticks (blame his advisor&#8217;s) and he&#8217;s got a chorus of folks like you screaming at the top of their lungs stuff about fraud and birth certificates.  Rome is burning, man.</p>
<p>You were here talking about Obama&#8217;s non-existent money problem, calling him a socialist, attacking his citizenship, calling him a terrorist, and all the while folks were biting their nails to the frazzle over this economy, the DOW was doping 500+ points every few days, and the fiscal conservative in the White House was calling for $700 billion to make it all okay.  Dare I bring back the Carvillesque phrase from the Clinton years?</p>
<p>Has McCain already lost?  Of course not.  But he&#8217;s in very poor shape going into the last week of the election and he&#8217;s got only his campaign and you folks to blame. Instead of correcting the record, framing the debate to question Dems on the economy, you guys have played guilt by association, made crazy accusations, repeated outright myth and fabrications, and then cried about the media when none of that got traction.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patsy,
Make sure you buy what will be labeled an assault weapon before The One gets in and buy lots and lots of ammo, just in case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patsy,<br />
Make sure you buy what will be labeled an assault weapon before The One gets in and buy lots and lots of ammo, just in case.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/fraudulent-ballots-yes-fraudulent-candidate-who-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-124910</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HDRK,
When you scream racial epithets while backing up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HDRK,<br />
When you scream racial epithets while backing up.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/fraudulent-ballots-yes-fraudulent-candidate-who-knows/comment-page-1/#comment-124909</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No Adam, the flat out lie was Obama reporting the 800k to ACORN as for lighting and stage set up.  It was a deliberate attempt to deceive which is a lie.  He paid them and they committed fraud therefore ...

These 13 are the ones we caught.  How many more will there be?

As for the poor and minority being uncounted.  This is always alleged but never shown to be a big problem.  People are not allowed to vote because they don&#039;t register or have records.  Some claim that because a police car was there they felt threatened.  How does the presence of that car threaten anyone abiding by the law and maybe the cop was voting, his right as well.

People try to scam the system, vote all over, vote absentee and in person.  The poot and minority can vote and organizations go out of their way to help them.

But Adam, you have to be willing to do a little bit for yourself.  You have to make sure you are registered, that you vote in the right place, and that you go out and vote.  

I know that it is hard for you to grasp but it involves personal responsibility.

I have seen very few instances where it was proven that the poor and minorities were kept from voting however MILLIONS of ILLEGALS will vote in this election.  That my friend is fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Adam, the flat out lie was Obama reporting the 800k to ACORN as for lighting and stage set up.  It was a deliberate attempt to deceive which is a lie.  He paid them and they committed fraud therefore &#8230;</p>
<p>These 13 are the ones we caught.  How many more will there be?</p>
<p>As for the poor and minority being uncounted.  This is always alleged but never shown to be a big problem.  People are not allowed to vote because they don&#8217;t register or have records.  Some claim that because a police car was there they felt threatened.  How does the presence of that car threaten anyone abiding by the law and maybe the cop was voting, his right as well.</p>
<p>People try to scam the system, vote all over, vote absentee and in person.  The poot and minority can vote and organizations go out of their way to help them.</p>
<p>But Adam, you have to be willing to do a little bit for yourself.  You have to make sure you are registered, that you vote in the right place, and that you go out and vote.  </p>
<p>I know that it is hard for you to grasp but it involves personal responsibility.</p>
<p>I have seen very few instances where it was proven that the poor and minorities were kept from voting however MILLIONS of ILLEGALS will vote in this election.  That my friend is fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: Patsy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patsy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, liberals didn&#039;t just &quot;question&quot; President Bush, they attacked him like cannibals.  They also attacked the military, falsely accused them of murder and massacres.  They also said Iraq was a quagmire, that the surge was a failure, that the Iraqis weren&#039;t doing the political reconciliation, and the Iraqis weren&#039;t fighting.  These were all outrageous lies and vicious attacks.  In contrast, we are just asking that Barack Obama show us his original birth certificate in order to prove his eligibility for the Presidency.  It is a reasonable request and he has an obligation to answer it by showing us his real birth certificate.  

John McCain already had to do so and produced the documents.  He didn&#039;t whine to the judge to get the case tossed out on some technicality, he produced his original paperwork and the judge dismissed the cases.  There were 2, one in New Hampshire, the other in California.  

Obama gave us a computer generated form, computers didn&#039;t exist in 1961.  Show us the real one and we&#039;ll let this go.  What&#039;s the big deal?  What is he hiding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, liberals didn&#8217;t just &#8220;question&#8221; President Bush, they attacked him like cannibals.  They also attacked the military, falsely accused them of murder and massacres.  They also said Iraq was a quagmire, that the surge was a failure, that the Iraqis weren&#8217;t doing the political reconciliation, and the Iraqis weren&#8217;t fighting.  These were all outrageous lies and vicious attacks.  In contrast, we are just asking that Barack Obama show us his original birth certificate in order to prove his eligibility for the Presidency.  It is a reasonable request and he has an obligation to answer it by showing us his real birth certificate.  </p>
<p>John McCain already had to do so and produced the documents.  He didn&#8217;t whine to the judge to get the case tossed out on some technicality, he produced his original paperwork and the judge dismissed the cases.  There were 2, one in New Hampshire, the other in California.  </p>
<p>Obama gave us a computer generated form, computers didn&#8217;t exist in 1961.  Show us the real one and we&#8217;ll let this go.  What&#8217;s the big deal?  What is he hiding?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David:

If you are in fact called racist every time you speak up you&#039;ll get over it.  Liberals got over being called traitors for questioning Bush, you&#039;ll get over it too.  And who knows?  Maybe someday folks will be able to have a legitimate political discussion about how to fix America&#039;s problems without it being dumbed down by the media and by bloggers and by politicians into simple shapes and colors or a weak duality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David:</p>
<p>If you are in fact called racist every time you speak up you&#8217;ll get over it.  Liberals got over being called traitors for questioning Bush, you&#8217;ll get over it too.  And who knows?  Maybe someday folks will be able to have a legitimate political discussion about how to fix America&#8217;s problems without it being dumbed down by the media and by bloggers and by politicians into simple shapes and colors or a weak duality.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, I am not a big one for conspiracy theories either. But if there are issues raised about such a serious matter and the remedy for Obama is so easy, why doesn&#039;t he excercise that remedy and move on? Democrats do need to stop crying racisim every time questions come up. The scrutiny we put our Presidents under is trmendous. I&#039;m not really sure why anyone wants the job. If Obama is elected, will we be able to excercise our constitutional right to speak out and question his policies or decisions without being labeled racists? I think what is fueling this idea about Republicans being racists is we are the only ones asking questions. The press is nearly giving him a free pass. If elected, it won&#039;t stay that way. I can&#039;t wait for the first time the New York Times has something negative to say about one of his decisions, if elected. Let&#039;s make plans to meet here with Big Dog and discuss that issue when it occurs and see if we can ferret out whether it is driven by racism. Patsy is right. It is not some secret club with secret codes. If there are, I didn&#039;t get the memo. There are about 75-100 million Republicans out there (I&#039;m just guessing and I guess about the same number of Democrats). Makes it kind of hard for all of us to get together at one time. Patsy did put it eloquently. We are also against defecit spending, increasing taxes for anyone, weakening national defense, not supporting our troops by cutting defense spending by 125 billion dollars. We tend to be for traditional marriage, against abortion, and supporters of a more strict interpretation of the Constitution and it&#039;s amendments, including the second. Can any of that be spun into racism? I think not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, I am not a big one for conspiracy theories either. But if there are issues raised about such a serious matter and the remedy for Obama is so easy, why doesn&#8217;t he excercise that remedy and move on? Democrats do need to stop crying racisim every time questions come up. The scrutiny we put our Presidents under is trmendous. I&#8217;m not really sure why anyone wants the job. If Obama is elected, will we be able to excercise our constitutional right to speak out and question his policies or decisions without being labeled racists? I think what is fueling this idea about Republicans being racists is we are the only ones asking questions. The press is nearly giving him a free pass. If elected, it won&#8217;t stay that way. I can&#8217;t wait for the first time the New York Times has something negative to say about one of his decisions, if elected. Let&#8217;s make plans to meet here with Big Dog and discuss that issue when it occurs and see if we can ferret out whether it is driven by racism. Patsy is right. It is not some secret club with secret codes. If there are, I didn&#8217;t get the memo. There are about 75-100 million Republicans out there (I&#8217;m just guessing and I guess about the same number of Democrats). Makes it kind of hard for all of us to get together at one time. Patsy did put it eloquently. We are also against defecit spending, increasing taxes for anyone, weakening national defense, not supporting our troops by cutting defense spending by 125 billion dollars. We tend to be for traditional marriage, against abortion, and supporters of a more strict interpretation of the Constitution and it&#8217;s amendments, including the second. Can any of that be spun into racism? I think not.</p>
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