DAR
I don’t blame Huckabee for the actions of someone else. But I think he showed poor judgment.

There was a case here recently where a child molester was in jail for a minimum amount of time and was released. There are a lot of particulars but he murdered an 11 year old girl who was found on Christmas Day.

He should have never been out. The recidivism rate for child molesters is near 100%. They cannot be cured.

Any person who rapes a child should be in jail for LIFE. There is no balancing that out.

If he gets out then the person who kills him should get a medal. Like I said, if a molester was released and did that to a person in my family they would never find him and they guy who let him out would meet a terrible end as well.

There are consequences for doing this. We will only see action when a judge’s daughter or a politician’s daughter is raped and murdered.

Probably prayed about it is speculation. I guess, by your definition, Huck is not wrong because the law allowed him to commute a sentence. He followed the law so he has no blame in the matter just like a judge who ignores the child molester’s history and gives a light sentence, no guilt.

That is how you define it. According to you Huckabee is not to blame because he followed the system and it was the guy who was bad.

DAR
No, the person may just be bad. In making laws we have to balance the bad of those particular possible instances with the benefit of not locking up offenders forever.

We have a real life instance of this in Gov. Huckabee. This was in the Arkansas Times in an (amazing) list of best and worst of the year:

***
“Worst tapdance

A habitual criminal might’ve been harmlessly rotting away in the Arkansas state penitentiary in November, instead of out in Washington State murdering [four] policemen by the bunch, if in 2000 then-Gov. Mike Huckabee hadn’t commuted his 108-year prison term, cutting it by more than half and making him eligible for immediate parole. Huck response to questions of why was the old Wayne Dumond softshoe all over again. Presidential prospects dimmed noticeably.”

Regarding Dumond, he is a rapist, molester, murderer Huckabee got out:

“Huckabee, addressing DuMond as “Dear Wayne,” wrote to DuMond in January 1997: “My desire is that you be released from prison.”[17]

On June 22, 2001, DuMond was arrested and charged with the September 20, 2000, rape and murder of Carol Sue Shields.[22]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_DuMond

Who is responsible for these actions? The fellows who did the acts. Most people now think Huckabee used poor judgment. Being a minister, he probably prayed about it a lot.

D.

If a law allows a child molester to get out and he molests again then the law was bad.

If it were my family member the guy would never make it to trial…

And if the judge did not give the max he could he might have some trouble as well. I am not above people taking things in their own hands if the people we put in place to do it will not.

We might just need to throw all of them out by force and start over. Don’t know, hope not. But if so then I will have to join the resistance.

DAR
No, the law is not necessary wrong either. That doesn’t follow. Human beings are free moral agents and sometimes go on to do bad things. These cannot always be foreseen, obviously. THEY are responsible for their actions (and note: the 9/11 bombers are responsible for the events on 9/11, not Bush. Although I think a strong case for some negligence on his part can be made).

Bigd: If Bush did not have anything to charge people with and was forced to let them go then he is not to blame.>>

DAR
Right. Bush is not necessarily to blame. He made countless decisions about such things over time and of course some of them are going to work out bad. This is one of them.

Regarding him not having anything to charge them with, some of that is his fault and it is a really big deal. Note:

“This “scandalous” policy [Mirandizing] actually began during the Bush administration. One of the worst mistakes the Bush administration made was paying absolutely no attention in the early days to building cases against the people it detained. Evidence was improperly collected or not collected at all. Statements were elicited through torture and other coercive means. So when the Bush administration later decided that it wanted to try its high-value detainees, it had virtually no evidence to work with.”

Link.

Bigd: “you cannot blame Bush if he let them go because of these rulings.”>>

DAR
Just did, see above.

Bigd: [morality] So If I do something immoral and nothing bad happens (like I don’t get caught and no one knows) it was OK.>>

DAR
I guess you would need to give an example. If “nothing bad happens” it’s not clear why “something immoral” happened. But it’s certainly possible.
Your next moral question is just silly, so I’ll skip it.

D.

I know you have trouble with this concept but that is the case.

They came back on you guy’s watch so it is his problem and he is responsible.

You judge an action by its consequences is how morality works. So If I do something immoral and nothing bad happens (like I don’t get caught and no one knows) it was OK. Just so long as I do not get caught.

What happens if we let an innocent man go and he goes on to do something immoral, should we be blamed for that as well since the action/consequence thing you cited. And if so then should we just keep people in jail forever because if we let them go and they do something bad it will never be their fault?

That is the problem with you liberals, you don’t understand personal responsibility.

DAR
Without due process, yes. That’s immoral.

Bigd: “…and now they cry about them being released.”>>

DAR
When they go on to be terrorists, yes. That’s when we know Bush made a boo. We can judge the action to be bad by it’s consequences. That’s how morality works (don’t tell Blake).

Bigd: please let me know how you feel about Obama releasing four more>>

DAR
Don’t know the circumstances, don’t care. Let us know when something bad happens as a result. Then you can begin to build the case we already have right in front of us, against Bush.

Bigd: one of the guys responsible for killing American soldiers.>>

DAR
Dealt with below. Don’t know the circumstances of his case or the evidence against him or penalties already applied. Let us know if he does something bad. Then we will know it was a mistake to release him (this is also weighed with the benefit of our hostage released).

Bigd: Cheney was at fault for releasing people to the custody of another country.>>

DAR
Yes. Stop making excuses.

George W. Bush Let Terrorists Behind Christmas Bombing Out Of Gitmo

Note: “Both the families of al-Awfi and Shari attribute their radicalization to their years in detention at Guantanamo Bay.”

Bigd: Does this mean that if a convict is transferred from a prison in state A to a prison in state B then,…>>

DAR
Very possibly. They is no need to use an analogy and change the circumstances. Bush/Cheney had them and released them for an “art program” in another country. If they had been good boys this would not be seen as a bad thing. They weren’t good boys, so Bush/Cheney get the blame for having them and letting them go. It’s called “responsibility.”

Bigd: Are judges who release child sex offenders responsible for the sexual offenses they commit if the judge followed the sentencing guidelines?>>

DAR
I don’t think so. However, there are a couple instances of Gov. Mike Huckabee stepping in and releasing prisoners convicted of heinous crimes who have now gone on and committed even worse ones.

This we can judge to be a bad thing.

D.

DAR
Let us know when he does something AFTER being released.

Bigd: I wonder if this was a payoff to get a hostage released…>>

DAR
If you had read even the SECOND sentence of your own article you would know the answer to this question:

“Qais Qazali, the leader of the Asaib al Haq or the League of the Righteous, was set free by the US military and transferred to Iraqi custody in exchange for the release of British hostage Peter Moore…”

D.