Carville Wanted Bush To Fail
by Big Dog on Mar 12, 2009 at 05:20 Political
There has been an ongoing debate here about the idea that a group of people would want any president to fail. The liberals have taken offense to Rush Limbaugh saying he wanted Obama to fail. They claim that the left did not feel this way about Bush and only “called” him a failure after he actually (in their minds) failed. When I pointed to a Fox poll that asked whether the respondent wanted Bush to succeed in which 51% of Democrats said “no”, I was told that it was a poll taken 5 years after he was in office and that the poll is different than a major figurehead saying the same thing. Randy, a likable commenter stated:
So, 193 people polled, almost five years after George W. Bush took office hoped he didn’t succeed. That is a lot different than a major figurehead of folks identifying as conservatives saying about the President-Elect, “I hope he fails” before the man is even sworn into office.
September 11th, 2001 was only 8 months after Bush took office. We will remember it as a terrible day that changed America forever. Well, the right will. The left keeps trying to get back to pre 9/11.
On the morning of 9/11, James Carville talking to a group of reporters and told them; “I certainly hope he doesn’t succeed.” For those on the left, this is the same as saying; “I hope he fails.”
Carville is a major player for the Democrats. He is a strategist, a pollster and a pundit. He is on all the talk shows and he is very far left. This major player said that he wanted Bush to fail.
Right after Carville told the reporters this they all received word of the attacks. Carville told them to forget what he said because this [the attacks] changes everything. Carville knew if they printed that he wanted Bush to fail the timing would be bad and it would not look good. Think of how it would have looked if this came out along with the stories of the attacks.
Then again, it probably would not matter to the left. During that time unrepentant terrorist William Ayers gave an interview (I think it hit the stands on 9/11) in which he stated that his group did not do enough [terror] and the article featured a picture of him jumping on an American flag. The left ignored this and continued to ignore it even though Ayers and Obama are buddies.
The reporters did as they were told and did not print Carville’s desire for Bush to fail. But the fact is, he said it and it is no different than what Limbaugh said.
I know this story has already circulated but I wanted to address Randy’s comment and the comments of others who think the Democrats would never do such a thing.
The funny thing about this is that Carville is one of the talking heads who chastised Limbaugh for saying he wanted Obama to fail. This is another example of the hypocrisy of the left.
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Tags: 9/11, ayers, carville, failure, Limbaugh, Obama
To be fair, here is what Carville said:
“I don’t care if people like him or not, just so they don’t vote for him and his party. That is all I care about. I hope he doesn’t succeed, but I am a partisan Democrat. But the average person wants him to succeed. It is his country, his life or their lives. So he has that going for him. There is a lot that is going to happen between now and next November. It is not that people don’t like him. It is not that people don’t want him to succeed, but it is also not that he doesn’t have some serious underlying problems.”
Hoping Bush doesn’t succeed in winning the next election isn’t quite the same as hoping a President or their policies fail.
There is a lot of room to criticize Obama and his policies without hoping he or his policies fail.
Big Dog, I do appreciate your addressing my comment though. The discussion is important.
Sorry Randy, but I do hope that his policies fail because they are going to destroy America, which is what I believe Obama has set out to do. He has lied about everything he said during his campaign and the latest rounds of pork garbage are inexcuable during this recession. I sure hope people wake up soon.
That’s alright Barbara, I’m not looking for apologies.
As somebody pointed out on Crooks and Liars after this Carville story broke: This doesn’t point to the left’s double standard, it points to the right’s hypocrisy on supporting the president in a time of crisis.
But at the root here is the fact that the right refuses to admit we are in a crisis with our economy. We saw an entry about it on this site today already. Obama said things weren’t as bad as they thought so that obviously means things aren’t bad at all and the economy would have fixed itself until the fed stepped in and now things will be prolonged. Never mind that there is no evidence to back up any of those claims. If Limbaugh said the Dems made up the crisis then it must be true, right? Bull.
Limbaugh is an idiot and a bully and will say what he needs to say to up his ratings even if it means dividing America in a time of economic crisis. Lucky for us his influence outside of the GOP has been waning for years while his influence inside the GOP has gone through the roof.
This is a serious time in America and it requires serious minds. The Republican party has no plan except tax cuts and spending freezes that would utterly destroy our economy. But that’s what America is faced with now: A Democratic Party in charge and making tough, publicly supported decisions to help the long term and short term state of our economy, while the Republican party that is rudderless and devoid of leadership fills the airwaves and the Internet with their lunacy and fact free opposition to anything that the Democrats are even rumored to be doing.
The fact that you think tax cuts and spending freezes would ruin us shows that you have no idea how an economy runs or how budgets are managed.
Spending money you do not have is a recipe for disaster. Government produces NOTHING. It confiscates and redistributes under the notion that they know better how to spend you money than you do.
Having more of your own money will allow you to spend it on what you want and be more stimulative.
The Republicans had a good plan but they would not even consider any of it.
No hypocrisy. I do not consider this a crisis. It is an economic down turn that is no worse than some of the others and worse than some. We have always come out of them and would have come out of the Depression sooner had it not been for FDR doing what Obama is doing.
The positions are not publicly supported. The idea of a stimulus has been supported by more than half but the larger portion does not agree with what they are doing in the name of stimulus.
As for supporting the president, I said it before, Limbaugh said he supported the president but not his policies. That is no different than you support the troops but not the war.
We want his policies to fail because we know they would be a disaster. I never heard you guys on the left say that the attack on America was terrible and that the president has taken us to war and even though you did not agree with it you support him because it is a crisis. No, you guys said it was bad and that we were failing and losing. You guys said that you did not support the president’s efforts because it is wrong to kill people and blah blah.
Using what you are saying then you all should have said that you totally support the president because he has decided what to do. Instead, you said that you did not support the war and that he was wrong.
I don’t support the approach Obama is taking because he is wrong. You have a double standard and expect us to blindly support that with which we disagree. I would like to say I hope it works but that would be stupid because I know it will not.
Tax cuts and spending, yes. Tax cuts and spending freezes? Only if you want a depression for sure. I will say this outright and without hesitation: Any person calling for a spending freeze during a recession is an absolute idiot. Any of you want to stand up and voice your support for this absolute lunacy of an economic policy?
You can repeat revisions about FDR prolonging the depression all you like but history and the numbers aren’t on your side.
The mass of Democrats stood with Bush on 9/11, supported the attack on Afghanistan, and voted for war in Iraq. You know this. So how can you act like the Republicans refusing to see the financial crisis for what it is and NEVER standing with Obama ever to Democrats no longer standing with Bush years after 9/11?
I’m not going to tell you to support Obama when you disagree with policy, I just don’t want you to act like Limbaugh is doing something Democrats have done when your evidence doesn’t stand up to reason. A poll years after 9/11 and a out of context quote by Carville that he quickly took back is no evidence at all. Rush Limbaugh is a blow hard.
Government spending does not end recessions, and how we see FDR is not revisionist. We have known all along his policies were a failure. The unemployment rate never went down until the war. That is what brought us out. The New Deal created a bunch of government programs that have grown into monsters and were unnecessary to begin with.
Adam, you are full of crap. Republicans went tot he table with ideas and concerns and were told that their ideas were not going to have any weight because “I won.”
Now it is true he won and he can take that tact if he wants but don’t expect us to line up to support what we know will fail.
You do not get out of debt by spending more.
The problem is you think government is your mommy and daddy and that it should spend to take care of you.
Government has nothing and produces nothing. It takes and redistributes and it does not create jobs.
See it how you want but you are wrong.
There are plenty of blowhards on the left and you can think what you want about Limbaugh but he is right. I do not want Obama to succeed with his plans because I do not liekt hem and they are bad for America.
Carville, and the Fox poll show how Democrats felt. But, as usual, for you libs it was out of context.
The irony is you say that and then keep taking Limbaugh out of context. YOU know what he actually said and YOU know what he meant by it and you perpetuate the lie.
Shame on you liberal butt boy.