Burning Korans And Muslim Prayers

There are plenty of things going on in our country that involve the cult of Islam and its so called message of peace. In the name of peace this cult stones women, hangs homosexuals and cuts off the heads of people with whom it disagrees (but not yet in America). The Islam apologists will tell you that these things are extreme and do not represent Islam but that is a lie. The people committing these things are representatives of Islam. They are done on behalf of Islamic governments. These things are done as part of the main stream Islamic cult.

So we allow these very people to keep creeping into our culture and imposing their will upon us. In Hartford, City Council Meetings will now begin with a Muslim prayer. This would not be a problem if the Council started with Christian and/or Jewish prayers and the Council decided to add Muslim prayers. That would only be fair.

But in this case, the Council meetings did not begin with any prayers at all.

The Council announced Tuesday that it has invited local imams to perform Islamic invocations at the beginning of the Council meetings in September.

Though meetings don’t regularly begin with any form of prayer, an email from the Common Council called it “an act of solidarity with our Muslim brothers and sisters.” NBC Connecticut

The meetings did not start with any form of prayer and these yahoos decided to add Muslim prayers as an act of solidarity. I am willing to bet that if someone had recommended Jewish or Christian prayers they would have scoffed at the idea and cited separation of church and state. But they need to be one with Muslims. Wouldn’t it have been better if they left it as it was and offered NO prayers?

As 9/11 approaches people do not need reminders of the way Islam infiltrates a society and takes it over. France will cease to exist as a French country in about 50 years as Muslims take over and the French, who have failed to reproduce at a rate necessary to sustain the population, become extinct. England will suffer that fate one day as well.

So as we prepare to commemorate 9/11, a pastor in a Florida church is planning to have a bonfire and he will burn a lot of Korans in that fire. This has outraged the Muslim world as Muslims protest around the world. It has involved military leaders who claim the act will incite more violence on our troops. This might all be true but the pastor has every right to exercise his First Amendment right to free speech. If this country allows people to burn our Flag then people can damn sure burn a book that was written by a child molesting false prophet.

Now I don’t personally think it is the best thing to do and I would not do it. It might incite violence but that is a minor concern because everything incites violence with Muslims. They get their sheets in a wad over everything and then go around killing people. I think that it is insensitive and shows disrespect to a large number of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslims and who try to live a good life each day and who have respect for others. This act might offend people that we should not be offending.

Does this pastor have the right to burn the books, yes he does. Should he? I don’t think so.

The State Department calls the plan to burn Korans un-American. What could be more American than exercising our First Amendment rights? Funny, ever hear the State Department call the Westboro Baptist Church un-American?

I know though, that all the liberals and those who support the Ground Zero Mosque will support this pastor and say that he should indeed burn the Korans because he has that right. They should let the Florida church know that it does not matter how insensitive it is and who is bothered by it because it is a right.

This is what the supporters of the GZM say to us. We only ask that it be moved farther away from Ground Zero but they will not. They have a right to put it there but should they? And should the pastor burn the Korans?

The left will say yes, that is if they are consistent in their arguments.

I have been consistent with mine.

As an aside, I know how to keep them from building that Mosque. Pour pig’s blood on the ground. I think someone should apply to open a dog kennel next door to it.

All in the name of tolerance and diversity, you know.

As for burning Korans, as far as I am concerned, go for it. I will care when the people offended by this reconsider the GZM.

Until then, let them get upset and kill each other.

UPDATE: Ann Coulter expressed it much better.

Cave Canem!
Never surrender, never submit.
Big Dog

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29 Responses to “Burning Korans And Muslim Prayers”

  1. The Koran bonfire might not be the best thing to do, but it’s a good thing to do.

    Muslims need to be reminded that tolerance is a veneer over America’s ability to rise in wrath — and when we rise, it tends to be spectacular.

    It’s time to show these ignorant, violent savages our teeth. Perhaps then we won’t have to use them.

  2. Jolene says:

    I’m sick of this country bending over backwards for Muslims, while allowing the desecration of Christianity.

  3. Adam says:

    There are two faulty pieces of logic here that you employ.

    First of all they are not building the center in New York to outrage anyone. The Koran burning is just done to be hateful and draw attention. There’s a big difference. Just because you find it outrageous does not mean you get to compare it to something someone is doing to intentionally outrage others.

    Second, you combine Muslims together into one group and ignore the vast differences that come up in a faith that comprises 1.5 billion individuals across the Earth. Your suggestion “I will care when the people offended by this reconsider the GZM” just shows how you use this. Islam is not the Borg. Countries and communities act independent of one another and share different values and laws.

    Also I like how you suggest Muslims are driving the French into extinction in 50 years because the French reproduce less. This is on par with those in the US saying there is a “white genocide” because minorities are growing at a faster rate than the majority. I’d love to see where you got that information about 50 years and such.

    • Big Dog says:

      No, you employed faulty reasoning. No one said they are building the GZM to outrage people. Why they are building it matters not, the fact is a huge majority of people are offended by it so they should reconsider.

      It also matters not whether the church is burning Korans to inflame anyone or not. Did they say that or are you drawing conclusions because you find it vile?

      The real issue is will you support their decision to burn them since it is a right to do so or are people only allowed to burn things that you say is OK like an American Flag?

      Your logic suggests that people only burn Flags to inflame.

      I do not lump all Muslims together. Though the majority in the Mulsim nations follow the Sharia law and do the things I have spelled out.

      I did not say the Muslims are driving the French into extinction because the French produce less. The two items were separate. The French are not producing enough to keep their population and the Muslims are taking over the country.

      You could try this:
      Link

      Or this:
      Europeans are aborting and contracepting themselves to death. The collapsing birth rates across Europe aren’t just low; they are below replacement levels, meaning that Europeans will soon go the way of the dodo bird. The bare minimum replacement rate is 2.1 children per woman (or 210 children per 100 women). Germany and Italy, at 80 births per 100 women and negative population growth, are headed for literal extinction. The German government predicts that the land of Goethe and Beethoven will be a Muslim country by 2050. France isn’t far behind with 125 births per 100. The Netherlands’ and Spain’s rate is about 100 births per 100 women. The European Union as a whole is 102.5 births per 100 women.

      Link

      So Adam, perhaps you can read the items I linked to and see the reality and truth of what I wrote.

      As for the white majority, the whites in America will be the minority by 2050 or 2060 because of higher birth rates of minorities. That is a fact (if current trends continue). It is not white genocide, just a fact of nature and math.

      Stop looking for boogey men in everything and you can learn.

      • Darrel says:

        Bigd: “whites in America will be the minority by 2050 or 2060…”>>

        DAR
        Not quite:

        “According to an August 2008 report by the U.S. Census Bureau, those groups currently categorized as racial minorities—blacks and Hispanics, East Asians and South Asians—will account for a majority of the U.S. population by the year 2042. Among Americans under the age of 18, this shift is projected to take place in 2023, which means that every child born in the United States from here on out will belong to the first post-white generation.” Link

        It’s amazing how much of the right wing hysterics is probably driven by this White Fright, as Hitchens points out.

        D.
        —————-
        White Fright

        “Glenn Beck’s rally was large, vague, moist, and undirected—the Waterworld of white self-pity.

        One crucial element of the American subconscious is about to become salient and explicit and highly volatile. It is the realization that white America is within thinkable distance of a moment when it will no longer be the majority. This awareness already exists in places like New York and Texas and California, and there have even been projections of the time(s) at which it will occur and when different nonwhite populations will collectively outnumber the former white majority. But it also exerts a strong subliminal effect in states like Alaska that have an overwhelming white preponderance.

        Until recently, the tendency has been to think of this rather than to speak of it—or to speak of it very delicately, lest the hard-won ideal of diversity be imperiled. But nobody with any feeling for the zeitgeist can avoid noticing the symptoms of white unease and the additionally uneasy forms that its expression is beginning to take.”

        The rest of Hitchens article here at SLATE

    • Blake says:

      Adam- it is obvious that you know nothing of history, or you would know of the muslim propensity for putting mosques on the sites that they have “conquered”- this is well known and documented, and only a complete moron could deny this.
      Second, IF, and it’s a BIG IF, muslims were truly a religion of peace and tolerance and love, then they would have, of their OWN ACCORD, volunteered to move the mosque site out of respect for the feelings of others.
      And yet they do not- it IS rather telling, as anyone who has read the koran could see that it is a religion of conquest, not love and respect.
      A person might have the right to open a Satanic Church next to a Cathedral, but should they?
      Just because they have the right under the Constitution, does not make the deed right in a moral sense.

  4. Darrel says:

    I recommend this article written by a local Episcopal priest:

    http://fayfreethinkers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=22332#p22332

    D.

  5. Big Dog says:

    I understand how difficult it is for people to comprehend but no one has said they do not have the right to build it, only that they should reconsider considering how many people are upset by it.

    I also suggets that if it does not matter if people are upset since they have the right then the same is true of Koran burning.

    As a last point, they said it is not a mosque nbut a cultural center. There is no First Amendment right for freedom of cultural centers. Freedom of religion, yes, but not of cultural centers.

    People also have the right to oppose the building of the GZM. This is where you morons fail. You think that because the people have a right to build the mosque that no one else has any rights. We all have the right to oppose it and we have the right to stop it.

    Just as people have the right to oppose what the pastor in Florida is doing.

    But, since we have this pastor Darrel sent us saying they have the right and it is American blah, blah, then STFU about the Koran burning. They have the right.

    As I pointed out in the article, I don’t think they should do either.

    I have that right.

    • Darrel says:

      Bigd above: “As I pointed out in the article, I don’t think they should do either.”

      Bigd in the article: “As for burning Korans, as far as I am concerned, go for it.”

  6. Big Dog says:

    Darrel, don’t come back and start playing your games. No one except Adam discussed white fright. I merely pointed out the facts and happening in 2042 is happening by 2050 or 2060.

    And do NOT come here and cut and paste to portray lies. You quoted a PORTION of what was written. I said I do not think it is a good idea and that I do not think they should do it.

    Then I discussed Constitutional rights and said as far as I am concerned go for it.

    So when you snip get it all or none.

    Like I said, don’t show back up here playing games like in the past. I have no tolerance for it.

    • Darrel says:

      Only in Bigdland is:

      “I don’t think they should do either.”

      compatible with:

      “…as far as I am concerned, go for it.”

      You can pick one but you can’t have both.

      It’s a language comprehension issue. Most of your problems stem from either a lack of comprehension of basic language, or more often, a complete dishonest use of language, i.e. spin. You spin so much you can’t see straight and the above is a perfect grade school example of this.

      To get anyway near to the truth of such matters, especially complex matters, you have an interest in being honest with language. You can’t even admit that your above comments are flatly contradictory when a child can see that they are. Instead you’ll type paragraphs trying to spin your way about of it.

      D.

  7. Big Dog says:

    “Now I don’t personally think it is the best thing to do and I would not do it”

    “I think that it is insensitive and shows disrespect to a large number of our fellow Americans who happen to be Muslims and who try to live a good life each day and who have respect for others. This act might offend people that we should not be offending.

    Does this pastor have the right to burn the books, yes he does. Should he? I don’t think so.”

    “This is what the supporters of the GZM say to us. We only ask that it be moved farther away from Ground Zero but they will not. They have a right to put it there but should they? And should the pastor burn the Korans?”

    These items are what you missed.

    And this is the end of what you snipped:

    “…I will care when the people offended by this reconsider the GZM.

    Until then, let them get upset and kill each other.”

    So, as I stated, I don’t think they should do it but I DON’T CARE if they do.

  8. Barbara says:

    As a christian I am not in favor of burning he Korans. Christians are in the world, but not supposed to be like the world. If christians banded together and got on their knees and prayed, America wouldn’t be in this mess. Prayer is powerful and God can change situations in a moment. Also, not all Muslims’ believe in the violence that is in the Koran. I would be very angry if my bible was burned. This Pastor needs to pray and not incite anger.

  9. Adam says:

    “It also matters not whether the church is burning Korans to inflame anyone or not. Did they say that or are you drawing conclusions because you find it vile?”

    Oh please. Yes, they’re just going to have a fun little Koran burning. No offense is intended to anyone, I’m sure. …

    “The real issue is will you support their decision to burn them since it is a right to do so or are people only allowed to burn things that you say is OK like an American Flag?”

    Burn the Koran. Burn the Bible. Burn the flag. Burn whatever you feel like within the bounds of the law. Of course the law, and decency are two different things as you and I have discussed before. I support the right to burn a flag but I will not do it simply to be offensive to others.

    “Your logic suggests that people only burn Flags to inflame.”

    No, I just know this specific incident of Koran burning is designed to inflame. If I’m wrong please tell me the intentions of this man.

    “I do not lump all Muslims together. Though the majority in the Muslim nations follow the Sharia law and do the things I have spelled out.”

    According to Wikipedia there are 47 countries in the world with a majority population of Muslims. Please let us know in how many of these countries it is legal to stone women, hang homosexuals and cut off the heads of people with whom “it” disagrees. I’ll be waiting patiently.

    • Big Dog says:

      Of the 47 only a handfull practice the Muslim religion. As I stated, Sharia law countries (or those practicing the faith of Islam). Take a look and see, some are secular and some have no religion. You equate a majority Muslim with the predominent religion. Being a majority muslim nation is not the same as being a Muslim nation. It is the Muslim nations (you know, the ones practicing the religion) that I referred to.

      Nice try though.

      I don’t know what his intention is though I would think it is to cause uproar. But that does not negate the fact that he has the right to do so. He can burn the Korans no matter what his reason.

      Where wa sthe uproar by Hillary and the rest when the US government burned a bunch of Bibles?

      Seems to me that would be just as despicable. Maybe if Christians threatened to riot and hurt people…

      So if it makes you and Hillary feel better, he is burning them because there is a concern that they might be given to Christians and encourage them to join the violent cult of Islam.

      That was the excuse used by the Muzzies with regard to the Bible and why the government burned them…

      • Adam says:

        “Of the 47 only a handful practice the Muslim religion.”

        Don’t dodge the question. Go ahead and tell us which countries you consider to be “Muslim nations” or “Sharia law countries” and then tell us how many of those countries it is legal to do the things you suggest happen.

        “But that does not negate the fact that he has the right to do so. He can burn the Korans no matter what his reason.”

        I challenge you to find someone who said otherwise. You might, but I doubt it. The truth is he’s doing this to get attention like a little whiny child. It would have been better if folks just ignored it completely instead of feeding into it.

        “Where was the uproar by Hillary and the rest when the US government burned a bunch of Bibles?”

        Are you serious here? Bibles confiscated and destroyed in private is equal to a Christian pastor leading the public burning of Korans? Surely you can see that it’s not the burning itself that is offensive but the way in which it’s done, right?

        • Big Dog says:

          I dodged nothing. You presented 47 countries and only a handful are Muslim countries that practice any kind of Muslim religion.

          I don’t care if he burns them or not, it is not what I would do but I do not care. I don’t care why he did it, that does not matter.

          If he burned them to stir up trouble, so what? In that case it is no different than what Bill Ayers did and you guys think he is wonderful.

          Bibles are the Holy book of Christians. They were burned up regardless of the reason.

          Do you think Muslims would be understanding if the government was burning a bunch of Korans in private because they were excess or unwanted?

          They lost their minds and killed each other over a lie about one being flushed down a toilet…

          You are right though, it would have been better if they had ignored the guy. They would ignore Muslims burning Bibles which they do regularly in true Muslim countries.

        • Adam says:

          “I dodged nothing.”

          Well, then tell us which countries you consider to be “Muslim nations” or “Sharia law countries” and then tell us how many of those countries it is legal to do the things you suggest happen.

          “In that case it is no different than what Bill Ayers did and you guys think he is wonderful.”

          More lies. The very vast majority of liberals did not even know this man’s name until a few years ago. We care little about him and we sure don’t think his criminal activity was “wonderful.”

          “Do you think Muslims would be understanding if the government was burning a bunch of Korans in private because they were excess or unwanted?”

          That’s a different subject altogether. You’re just running from the fact that you think the obnoxious and offensive public burning of Korans compares to the confiscation and private destruction of Bibles.

  10. Big Dog says:

    Only in Darrel land does something get cherry picked and taken out of context and then used in a totally false way.

    I comprehend as well or better than you.

    You were gone quite a while and it was good. Don’t come here insulting me or acting stupid. I told you, I have no more tolerance for it.

  11. Adam says:

    “So Adam, perhaps you can read the items I linked to and see the reality and truth of what I wrote.”

    I don’t doubt there are elements of truth to the idea that birth rates of whites are in decline and the growth of Muslims in Europe is accelerating. Still, as Newsweek points out, the idea of a Muslim majority in Europe is not all that supported, despite what that Bircher publication you cite thinks.

  12. Big Dog says:

    Afraid not Adam. Burning a holy book is burning a holy book. Once again, it matters not why as long as it is done legally. The guy has the right just like the Muzzies have a right to build a mosque. Having the right does not mean you should exercise the right.

    And why do you condone the confiscation of private Bibles? That should bother you even more. The government confiscated them to placate Muslims.

    As for Muslim countries that practice some form of Sharia:

    Gays in Islam

    Stoning

    And this WARNING GRAPHIC

    Or this WARNING GRAPHIC

    • Adam says:

      “Burning a holy book is burning a holy book.”

      You can’t be serious. That’s like saying burning a flag is burning a flag whether it’s retiring a flag or lighting it up in protest. You know better so I don’t know why choose to fight me on this.

      “And why do you condone the confiscation of private Bibles?”

      I didn’t condone it. I just said it’s not a comparable situation.

      “As for Muslim countries that practice some form of Sharia”

      Let me help you out here:

      * Majority Muslim population: 47 countries

      * Muslim countries with some form of Sharia: Around 30

      * Homosexuality punished by death: 6 countries (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, Sudan, and Yemen)

      * Stoning legal: 5 countries (Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria)

      So let’s see here. Stoning and death for homosexuals occurs in 20% of the Sharia law countries, 12% of the countries with majority Muslim populations, and where population totals represent roughly 15% of the world Muslim population. So remind me again how this is your predominant view of what Islam means and what Muslims do?

      • Big Dog says:

        I did not know that burning Bibles (or any Holy Book) was the proper method of destruction. They were perfectly good Bibles that could have been shipped to the US and used. They were burned to appease the Muzzies. And you know that they are building that Mosque where they are to incite people and mark a victory so why do you fight it?

        And once again you cloud the issue. A mjority practice Sharia, that is true as 30 out of 47 is a majority. And this accepts that because the country has more Muslims in it that it is a Muslim country when in fact some of them are nations with a number of religions and do not run based on religion.

        As an aside, you make an interesting case against Obama who said the US is not a Christian nation. If your definition of a Muslim nation is one with a majority practicing Islam then the US is a Christian nation because the majority practices Christianity.

        Back to the issue, let me help you. More than 6 punish homosexuality. Not all punishment is the death penalty. Stoning is one form of punishment. There are plenty of other brutal methods that are used to punish people, particularly women.

        I am surprised you defend the places where women are treated as second class citizens but then again you are a liberal.

        You are manipulating words and trying to pigeonhole things to fit your uninformed view.

        The bottom line with regard to the Korans is, does the guy have the right to do it? If so (and he does) does it affect you? Since that answer is no then shut up. When you can get consistent with regard to freedom you can discuss it. The problem you have is you can’t see it all the way around.

        A lot of people (including me) either oppose what the pastor is going to do or think it is stupid and will inflame people. Hannity, Beck, Coulter, and many more think it is bad to inflame people by doing this. A lot of people are going off the deep end because this will insult so many Muslims.

        70% of Americans do not want the mosque built near Ground Zero. That, for the math challenged, is a majority. We do not want it there and would like it moved but no capitulation has taken place. Instead, the wishes of the majority will be overlooked no matter how inflaiming or insulting they find it to be.

        So tell me again, how you can hold two different positions. Once again, it does not matter what the intent is, it matters how it is perceived.

        • Adam says:

          “And you know that they are building that Mosque where they are to incite people and mark a victory so why do you fight it?”

          Sorry. There’s no evidence to back that up. On the other you’re smart enough to know the difference between a public spectacle of burning Korans and the destruction of the Bible in private after they were confiscated. Or are you?

          You can’t deal with the facts in this subject apparently so you have to go and throw around accusations. Let me list them here.

          “I am surprised you defend the places where women are treated as second class citizens but then again you are a liberal.”

          Please point out where I’m defending any of these places.

          “When you can get consistent with regard to freedom you can discuss it.”

          Please point out where I’m inconsistent.

          “So tell me again, how you can hold two different positions.”

          Please point out where I’m holding two different positions.

        • Adam says:

          “As an aside, you make an interesting case against Obama who said the US is not a Christian nation.”

          Not so much. I was simply unclear on how you defined “Muslim nations.” I think we both generally agree that there is a difference between having a majority of Muslims and having Sharia at the state level.

          The Islamic governments with the worst human rights violations make up a fraction of the countries with some form of Sharia law and are not as representative of Muslim countries or Muslims in general as you and your merry band of Islamophobes like us to believe.

  13. QURAN…EDIT, THEN BURN BABY BURN

    The massive outrage of intolerant liberals and cult of allah fawners concerning a tiny American christian church burning a few Qurans has brought up a great point about the Quran.
    The offensive murderous medieval sections of the Quran (added later) that give CAUSE for worldwide murder of innocents for at least a generation should NOW be edited out.
    A worldwide committee of top islamists should immediately convene to do this obvious editing of the Quran so the rest of the world does not have to suffer the mindless terror via “misinterpretation” anymore.
    Why has this obvious scrubbing NOT already been done?
    Why have you not heard ANY islamic voice clamoring for this obvious long overdue move?
    We should ignore the lies like, “its radical islam, its the jihadists”. Until the Quran is edited ALL ISLAM IS RADICAL.
    Over a billion cult of allah members and not a peep about removing or editing that (supposedly) few sections that are “misunderstood”.
    What does that tell you?
    Is it not true that centuries ago all Qurans were burned except one version so as not to confuse followers?
    Well, here we are again. There are NO excuses.
    You now have that uneasy gut feeling, don’t you?