Burning Koran Is Contrary To What We Stand For; Burning Flag Not?

During a press conference Jake Tapper of ABC asked Barack Obama about the pastor in Florida who was going to burn the Koran (this took place before the decision not to do so). His answer about the pastor was:

With respect to the individual down in Florida, let me just say — well, let me repeat what I said a couple of days ago: The idea that we would burn the sacred texts of someone else’s religion is contrary to what this country stands for. It’s contrary to what this country — this nation was founded on. ABC

Why is it that when a pastor wants to burn a Koran (or a bunch of them) it is contrary to what this country stands for but when someone tries to stop people from burning the American Flag it is a suppression of free speech rights?

Has anyone ever heard some leftist say that burning the American Flag is not what this country stands for? Hell no, they tell you it is a right and all about free speech no matter how distasteful it is.

The same is true for the Korans. I did not agree with burning them but it is the pastor’s right to do so and that is exactly what this country is all about, the freedom to exercise rights even when doing so is distasteful.

The American Flag means more to most Americans than the Koran does so the idea of it being a sacred text is only important to those who think it is sacred.

Bibles get burned all over the world and in many Muslim countries Bibles are confiscated and shredded on the spot and Christian symbols like Crosses are confiscated and destroyed. The items are sacred to Christians but not to the Muslims who confiscate them just as the Koran is sacred only to those who practice Islam.

The American Flag is the symbol of this country and is considered a living entity. And yet the liberals think that burning it is perfectly OK. A commenter here who thinks this Koran burning is wrong (and all about bigoted, Islamophobic people) is a Flag burner.

So while Obama is discussing what is and what is not contrary to what this country stands for, he should probably know what he is talking about before he speaks.

Then again, maybe he was worried about how it would affect the so called religion of peace.

To think, liberals wet their pants whenever some nut job Christian kills an abortion doctor (or performs a very late term abortion depending on how you view it) and paint Christians as radical but dismiss the violent nature of Islam and make excuses for all them.

Obama does not want them to burn his sacred text.

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16 Responses to “Burning Koran Is Contrary To What We Stand For; Burning Flag Not?”

  1. Adam says:

    The SCOTUS would uphold the right to burn the Koran in the same way it upholds the right to burn the flag in protest. The KKK has the right to burn crosses in protest no matter how offensive that is to folks. That part of the conversation is irrelevant and unquestionable.

    When you’re using highly provocative methods of protest they should not be taken lightly or used nonchalantly because the degree of which it can offend and send the opposite message. I find the Pastors reasoning for protest to be short sighted and frankly moronic. Of course I find most recent instances of flag burning to be the same.

    • Big Dog says:

      So are you saying there are times when it would be OK to burn the Koran as long as it is well defined. I find ALL reasoning for burning the Flag to be short sighted and moronic. Does that mean it should stop or the weight of the world should come down on the Flag burner? How about if a million or so veterans threatend to beat the hell out of you the last time you burned one? Would you think that was OK?

      How about if they threatened to do really bad things at all your rallies if a Flahg were burned? Would you cry and back down or would you claim to have the right?

      It matters not how you feel about why he is doing it, it matters how he feels. And if you think a million veterans threatening would be wrong then why not condem Muslims who are doing the same thing?

      Besides, the issue was why a lib says that burning the sacred text is contrary to what we stand for but none has ever said the same about burning a Flag.

      And the SCOTUS has no choice but to uphold it. He could not stop it.

      • Adam says:

        “So are you saying there are times when it would be OK to burn the Koran as long as it is well defined.”

        I can’t think of an appropriate time but such a time may exist.

        “I find ALL reasoning for burning the Flag to be short sighted and moronic. Does that mean it should stop or the weight of the world should come down on the Flag burner?”

        When it comes to something a person is legally able to do then those who oppose the action can only appeal to the person or group to not go through with it. This may be a personal appeal, a boycott, or the raising of public outrage.

        This is much like racist hate speech. Many times such speech is protected but pressure from interest groups can stop it in many ways.

        “How about if they threatened to do really bad things at all your rallies if a Flag were burned?”

        I would still have the right. If my actions were putting others or myself at risk I would consider alternative forms of protest.

        “Besides, the issue was why a lib says that burning the sacred text is contrary to what we stand for but none has ever said the same about burning a Flag.”

        I don’t know Obama’s stance on flag burning. Perhaps he feels similarly about burning the flag as with the Koran. Personally I feel there are very, very limited circumstances in which an American flag should be burned and that means almost never.

  2. Adam says:

    “To think, liberals … paint Christians as radical but dismiss the violent nature of Islam and make excuses for all them.”

    Only fools paint Christianity as violent based on the actions of a slim minority. The same goes for Islam. Both religions have a history of violence in their name, and recent instances of violence as well.

    While I certainly agree that many of the most brazen and evil actions in recent history have been acts of Islamic terrorism there is no shortage of Christianity justified terrorism and violence in the world today.

    Your side can’t let go of the islamophobia though. It’s too good of a wedge issue and this is an election year.

    • Big Dog says:

      I find it ironic that you and your ilk will paint the TEA Party as racist based on a few (plants) signs that say bad things or fabricated stories but will dismiss a the HUGE crowds or Muslims on TV and the Muslim government statements for violence.

      You see a gathering of TEA Party people and 1% have signes you do not like (or egads, a gun) and you call them racists. You see tens of thousands of Mulsims rioting and killing and their governments calling for that and you dismiss it as not indicative of the Muslim world.

      How are alleged acts indicative of the TEA Party but real acts by Muslims not?

      Election year wedge issue. Yep, I can smell the fear. When you have to make a moronic statement like that. It is the economy stupid (ever hear that before).

      • Adam says:

        “You see a gathering of TEA Party people and 1% have signes you do not like (or egads, a gun) and you call them racists.”

        Personally I do not believe that all tea party protesters are racists. My complaint is simply that your side denies their existence, and calls them fake just like you have today.

        “Election year wedge issue. Yep, I can smell the fear.”

        Your side has been stoking anti-Muslim sentiments all year long and you know it. Obama’s a secret Muslim? Terrorists are building a Mosque at ground zero? It’s probably about time you started ripping the PA memorial again. I haven’t seen that in a while.

        • Big Dog says:

          The PA memorial is an issue being worked on and is a tribute to Islam and I have been on that a lot longeer than a year. The Obama is a Muslim meme was started by the Hillary supporters in your last primary, not my side and the birth certificate issue was initially presented by a Hillary supporter and he is still involved in it.

          I highly doubt that these Hillary supporters are my side. As fo rthe polls that show people believe he is Muslim, those polls include people of all parties and those who voted for him. It has a lot to do with how he acts and what he says. I do not know what his religion is but he is not a Christian.

          As for the TEA Party, no we do not deny that racists exist IN ANY SEGMENT OF SOCIETY, we just do not allow you people to cry racism each time you THINK it exists. And as long as your side publishes that it intends to infiltrate the gatherings and present them as racists then I will blame it on your side.

          I do not see anti muslim sentiments. I see a majority of people who want the building moved a few more blocks away. Is that too much to ask? I imagine all those union members in NY who will refuse to build it (and nothing gets built in NY without the union doing it) are part of my side stoking the anti Muslim sentiments. How many NY union members do you actually think are on my side?

  3. victoria says:

    “there is no shortage of Christianity justified terrorism and violence in the world today.”
    Prove it

    • Adam says:

      Excluding of course American anti-abortion groups and the Christian Identity movement there are several good examples of terrorism and violence in recent times which has been justified by distortions of Christianity or the Bible.

      You have the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda blends Christianity and other faiths in order to control and kill.

      Christians and Muslims routinely kill one another in Nigeria, each is of course retaliation for a previous attack by the other.

      You have racist political groups in Russia and other parts of Europe that promote nationalism and Christianity but are associated with violence and terrorism.

      The events in Northern Ireland recent years have heavy ties to Christianity and fundamentalism.

  4. Adam says:

    “The Obama is a Muslim meme was started by the Hillary supporters in your last primary, not my side and the birth certificate issue was initially presented by a Hillary supporter and he is still involved in it.”

    I see no relevance to who you think started all this. Your side keeps it going. Which side polls more support for the idea that Obama is a Muslim and is not a Natural Born?

    “I do not see anti muslim sentiments.”

    Of course not, no. It’s just a bunch of folks who think that it’s offensive for American Muslims to build so close to a place where foreign Islamic terrorists killed Americans including American Muslims.

    “How many NY union members do you actually think are on my side?”

    I’d say you may have thousands if not millions of ignorant Americans in NY and beyond that are on your side.

    • Big Dog says:

      I thought you meant my political side but it is clear you are not indicating political party. Obviously, anyone who does not agree with an inexperienced puke like you is just an ignorant American. Despite the fact that thes ignorant Americans work and pay taxes and contribute to this country, you feel we are a bunch of ignorant rubes.

      When you say my side keeps the issues going, which side is it you speak of, the political one or the ignorant one? People question the Muslim or BC issue are ignorant but the folks like you who believe in man made global warming without evidence or believe that 9/11 was an inside job or believe that Michael Moore presents accurate information about 9/11 are all the informed smart folks out there.

      Yes, Jeremiah Wright and his accusations about AIDS in the black community and Obama’s beliefs in what Wright said (Obama had to believe it or he would not have gone for 20 years and if you think differently you need to reevaluate who is really ignorant) are those of the informed elite and we ignorant will never understand.

      Right.

      BTW, those union members were likely Democrats and voted fo rObama. So, as I said before, you might be right about being ignorant. Only ignorant people voted for Obama.

      • Adam says:

        “I thought you meant my political side but it is clear you are not indicating political party.”

        There is a massive vein of anti-Islamic sentiment in the United States and it’s based on prejudices and outright ignorance. It is not partisan. I’m not saying I think the majority of Americans are stupid but that on the subject of Islam they are misinformed and ignorant.

        “Despite the fact that these ignorant Americans work and pay taxes and contribute to this country, you feel we are a bunch of ignorant rubes.”

        What part of working and paying taxes makes a person correct about their uninformed views of Islam? Nothing.

        “People question the Muslim or BC issue are ignorant but the folks like you who believe in man made global warming without evidence or believe that 9/11 was an inside job or believe that Michael Moore presents accurate information about 9/11 are all the informed smart folks out there.”

        First of all I believe in global warming because a majority of climate scientists believe it to be true based on the existing evidence. Second, I do not believe 9/11 was an inside so don’t lump me in with those idiots. As far as Michael Moore goes you would have to list the things he’s said that have been incorrect and we’ll talk about each one. Speaking in general terms is useless.

  5. Big Dog says:

    Let me restate for you. Those misinformed about Islam according to Adam’s interpretation of Islam.

    They are only misinformed based on what you believe. To them, you are misinformed.

  6. Suppose the book had been Mein Kampf, BD. Would it be against what we stand for if Pastor Jones had burned a copy of that?

    Now suppose Hitler had been canny enough to lace his tract with copious references to the will of God. Would it be against what we stand for if Pastor Jones had burned it then?

    Because Mein Kampf is merely the Koran without the theological decorations.

  7. Blake says:

    Adam, bigots exist EVERYWHERE- even in your liberal party- and, yes, they often do use religion as a wedge through which they try to usurp power and kill and maim people.
    This does not make the religion wrong, just the people interpreting it to their own ends.
    Personally, I have a problem with muslims trying to say that their religion is based on peace and tolerance, when exactly the opposite is true, if you only speedread the Koran- if you read in depth, it becomes worse, and for these “peace- loving” muslims to not decry the violence and unfairness of sharia law, much less the “jihad” on everything and everyone that offends some backwater imam- well, I then begin to think that their statements are somewhat suspect.