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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
		<link>http://www.onebigdog.net/bill-clinton-wants-to-go-to-copenhagen/comment-page-1/#comment-144458</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: &quot;Gore&quot; link [Old 2006 Gore bashing article by Schweizer]&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Dealt with this one years ago. The debunk:

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Hoover Institute and the art of slander

You know you&#039;re winning the PR battle when your adversary switches from attacking the message to attacking the messenger. Here&#039;s an example that also includes the common spin tactic of cherypicking: removing information from its context in an attempt to mislead. 

In a recent USA Today opinion piece, Peter Schweizer, (a &quot;Senior Fellow&quot; at the oil money-laden Hoover Institute) tries to undermine Al Gore&#039;s efforts to enhance public education on climate change. Specifically, Schweizer attacks Gore&#039;s personal commitment to the reduction of green house gas - fair game as long as the accusation is accurate.

But Gore staff members criticize Schweizer&#039;s claims as either misleading or outright falsehoods.

For example:

Claim: Schweizer claims that Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property.

Fact: Gore receives no royalties from the mine, which shut down in 2003. Like many owners of small farms in Smith County, Tennessee, the Gores received royalties on their mineral rights when the mine operated. (A correction ran in USA Today on page 10A, as did a letter to the editor from Gore&#039;s Communication Director)

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CLAIM: Schweizer says that Gore controls stock in Occidental Petroleum.

FACT: Gore has never owned or personally controlled stock in Occidental. His late father, Albert Gore Sr., worked at Occidental and the stock he owned at the time of his death was sold in the 1990s. Gore&#039;s mother also owned stock at the time of her death and it, too, was sold by the trustee of her estate.

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CLAIM: Schweizer attacks Gore for not using green energy alternatives at his home.

FACT: The Gores have signed up for every “green power” option their utilities make available and are in the process of adding photovoltaic panels to their home.

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CLAIM: Schweizer says that Gore does not offset his carbon emissions because Paramount Classics pays for the offsets.

FACT: The Gore’s personal carbon offsets are achieved independently of and in addition to the carbon-neutral leadership shown by Paramount Classics, Participant Productions and Rodale.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/hoover-institute-and-the-art-of-slander&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;.

Four claims, roasted. Did they miss anything? I don&#039;t think so.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: &#8220;Gore&#8221; link [Old 2006 Gore bashing article by Schweizer]&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Dealt with this one years ago. The debunk:</p>
<p>***<br />
Hoover Institute and the art of slander</p>
<p>You know you&#8217;re winning the PR battle when your adversary switches from attacking the message to attacking the messenger. Here&#8217;s an example that also includes the common spin tactic of cherypicking: removing information from its context in an attempt to mislead. </p>
<p>In a recent USA Today opinion piece, Peter Schweizer, (a &#8220;Senior Fellow&#8221; at the oil money-laden Hoover Institute) tries to undermine Al Gore&#8217;s efforts to enhance public education on climate change. Specifically, Schweizer attacks Gore&#8217;s personal commitment to the reduction of green house gas &#8211; fair game as long as the accusation is accurate.</p>
<p>But Gore staff members criticize Schweizer&#8217;s claims as either misleading or outright falsehoods.</p>
<p>For example:</p>
<p>Claim: Schweizer claims that Gore receives royalties from a zinc mine on his property.</p>
<p>Fact: Gore receives no royalties from the mine, which shut down in 2003. Like many owners of small farms in Smith County, Tennessee, the Gores received royalties on their mineral rights when the mine operated. (A correction ran in USA Today on page 10A, as did a letter to the editor from Gore&#8217;s Communication Director)</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
CLAIM: Schweizer says that Gore controls stock in Occidental Petroleum.</p>
<p>FACT: Gore has never owned or personally controlled stock in Occidental. His late father, Albert Gore Sr., worked at Occidental and the stock he owned at the time of his death was sold in the 1990s. Gore&#8217;s mother also owned stock at the time of her death and it, too, was sold by the trustee of her estate.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
CLAIM: Schweizer attacks Gore for not using green energy alternatives at his home.</p>
<p>FACT: The Gores have signed up for every “green power” option their utilities make available and are in the process of adding photovoltaic panels to their home.</p>
<p>&#8212;-<br />
CLAIM: Schweizer says that Gore does not offset his carbon emissions because Paramount Classics pays for the offsets.</p>
<p>FACT: The Gore’s personal carbon offsets are achieved independently of and in addition to the carbon-neutral leadership shown by Paramount Classics, Participant Productions and Rodale.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/hoover-institute-and-the-art-of-slander" rel="nofollow">LINK</a>.</p>
<p>Four claims, roasted. Did they miss anything? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 04:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blk: &quot;having no moral absolutes&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  You have moral absolutes? Great. Can I have one too? How come you can never give me a single example of one of these babies when I ask? Still waiting...

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blk: &#8220;having no moral absolutes&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  You have moral absolutes? Great. Can I have one too? How come you can never give me a single example of one of these babies when I ask? Still waiting&#8230;</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheists are what &quot;free thunkers&quot; are- a person who thinks, by virtue of his having no moral absolutes, wrongly believes him or herself to be &quot;free&quot; of restrictions on thought- when in reality, they are prisoners of their own particularly poisonous brand of dogma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists are what &#8220;free thunkers&#8221; are- a person who thinks, by virtue of his having no moral absolutes, wrongly believes him or herself to be &#8220;free&#8221; of restrictions on thought- when in reality, they are prisoners of their own particularly poisonous brand of dogma.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please, D- do you have Al Gore brand kneepads? Such lies- but what does one expect from someone who has no moral compass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please, D- do you have Al Gore brand kneepads? Such lies- but what does one expect from someone who has no moral compass?</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A computer scientist? Do you tell the monitor to turn to the left and cough? Please- do us all a favor and just admit that these scientists were LYING- because that is the plain truth here- and destroying the data is not the act of someone who wants &quot;transparency&quot;(God I hate that word), but the desperate acts of people who know they are about to be found out for the fakers they truly are.
Change is what climate does ON ITS OWN- humans do not necessarily affect climate as badly as these people would have us believe.
Do humans do things to the environment that should cease? Hell yes- but not in such a way as these people would have you believe.
Water pollution is the worst problem we have, and one that is being totally ignored in this debate- the air can wait, while we do incremental fixes on that, but the water CANNOT wait, what with all the phosphates and nitrites we put into our runoff with ordinary fertilizers on our lawns, and the depletion of our aquifers.
No, if we truly want to do something substantial NOW, we should back off of the Co2 fiasco, and concentrate on fixing our water supplies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A computer scientist? Do you tell the monitor to turn to the left and cough? Please- do us all a favor and just admit that these scientists were LYING- because that is the plain truth here- and destroying the data is not the act of someone who wants &#8220;transparency&#8221;(God I hate that word), but the desperate acts of people who know they are about to be found out for the fakers they truly are.<br />
Change is what climate does ON ITS OWN- humans do not necessarily affect climate as badly as these people would have us believe.<br />
Do humans do things to the environment that should cease? Hell yes- but not in such a way as these people would have you believe.<br />
Water pollution is the worst problem we have, and one that is being totally ignored in this debate- the air can wait, while we do incremental fixes on that, but the water CANNOT wait, what with all the phosphates and nitrites we put into our runoff with ordinary fertilizers on our lawns, and the depletion of our aquifers.<br />
No, if we truly want to do something substantial NOW, we should back off of the Co2 fiasco, and concentrate on fixing our water supplies.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no learning disability.  Your religion is the religion of the messiah Obama and the liberal policies he espouses.  You give it no free thought, you just get pulled around by the nose.

This whole citation carp.  It is worthless because no matter what people post you make some excuse as to why it is not correct.  Gore buys offsets, big deal.  Because he is wealthy he can buy offsets to live the lifestyle he wants.

People plant trees so leave them alone and let them drive what they want and use the light bulbs they want.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gore&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESxvY1tQHTo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;And here&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no learning disability.  Your religion is the religion of the messiah Obama and the liberal policies he espouses.  You give it no free thought, you just get pulled around by the nose.</p>
<p>This whole citation carp.  It is worthless because no matter what people post you make some excuse as to why it is not correct.  Gore buys offsets, big deal.  Because he is wealthy he can buy offsets to live the lifestyle he wants.</p>
<p>People plant trees so leave them alone and let them drive what they want and use the light bulbs they want.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm" rel="nofollow">Gore</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESxvY1tQHTo" rel="nofollow">And here</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 03:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd: all lies about Gore.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Talk is cheap. I back up my claims as usual, with citation. You just throw insults.

Bigd: Gore rides in big SUVs&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Hybrids. And you back nothing up.

Bigd: He also flies in private planes&gt;&gt;

DAR
  When necessary, and he buys offsets which consume precisely the equivalent amount of carbon he uses. Your criticisms, as usual, fail.

Bigd: &quot;and if,...his house is what you say&gt;&gt;

DAR
  I&#039;ve already posted documentation of this. Let me know if you would like to see it again.

Bigd: it has just been made that way after his hypocrisy was exposed.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  You&#039;ve shown you&#039;re an angry person who can really hate people, but you have shown no hypocrisy. Is it really so hard to believe that someone like Al Gore, who has shown a life long interest in such matters, would consistently care about the environment? No, not so hard to believe at all. If you&#039;ve anything besides the same old tired poo to throw, let&#039;s see it. I&#039;ve made this challenge many times, you&#039;ve got nothing.

Bigd: People want reform and not this because it is BAD.&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Yes, let&#039;s just keep spending 18x times as much as France for the same medical procedure. This problem should have been dealt with years ago. Canada fixed this in 1966.

Bigd: And some of your Democrats express the same objections as I&gt;&gt;

DAR
  You&#039;re right about that. And they are the political whores who have been paid off by the trillion dollar greed machine that lives off the public teat. At least they have a rational reason for selling out. You&#039;re just a ideologue who actually believes this nonsense for free.

Bigd: &quot;You are no freethinker&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Again, for the 14th time, freethought specifically refers to religious metaphysical claims and has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. Nothing. No thing. Do they have a medication for your learning disorder?

D.
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free-think-er n. 
A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief.
-- Webster&#039;s New World Dictionary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd: all lies about Gore.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Talk is cheap. I back up my claims as usual, with citation. You just throw insults.</p>
<p>Bigd: Gore rides in big SUVs&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Hybrids. And you back nothing up.</p>
<p>Bigd: He also flies in private planes&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  When necessary, and he buys offsets which consume precisely the equivalent amount of carbon he uses. Your criticisms, as usual, fail.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;and if,&#8230;his house is what you say&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  I&#8217;ve already posted documentation of this. Let me know if you would like to see it again.</p>
<p>Bigd: it has just been made that way after his hypocrisy was exposed.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  You&#8217;ve shown you&#8217;re an angry person who can really hate people, but you have shown no hypocrisy. Is it really so hard to believe that someone like Al Gore, who has shown a life long interest in such matters, would consistently care about the environment? No, not so hard to believe at all. If you&#8217;ve anything besides the same old tired poo to throw, let&#8217;s see it. I&#8217;ve made this challenge many times, you&#8217;ve got nothing.</p>
<p>Bigd: People want reform and not this because it is BAD.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Yes, let&#8217;s just keep spending 18x times as much as France for the same medical procedure. This problem should have been dealt with years ago. Canada fixed this in 1966.</p>
<p>Bigd: And some of your Democrats express the same objections as I&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  You&#8217;re right about that. And they are the political whores who have been paid off by the trillion dollar greed machine that lives off the public teat. At least they have a rational reason for selling out. You&#8217;re just a ideologue who actually believes this nonsense for free.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;You are no freethinker&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Again, for the 14th time, freethought specifically refers to religious metaphysical claims and has nothing whatsoever to do with politics. Nothing. No thing. Do they have a medication for your learning disorder?</p>
<p>D.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
free-think-er n.<br />
A person who forms opinions about religion on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established belief.<br />
&#8211; Webster&#8217;s New World Dictionary</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrel, all lies about Gore.  You lick his boots too I see.

Zero my a$$.  But I planted a few trees.

Gore rides in big SUVs and has caravans.  Her also flies in private planes and if, and it is a small if, his house is what you say it has just been made that way after his hypocrisy was exposed.

People want reform and not this because it is BAD.  There are better, less costly options.

And some of your Democrats express the same objections as I so they must be hacks as well.

Darrel, you can play mightier than though but you are a hack who shills for the libs.

You are no freethinker, you are a partisan hack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrel, all lies about Gore.  You lick his boots too I see.</p>
<p>Zero my a$$.  But I planted a few trees.</p>
<p>Gore rides in big SUVs and has caravans.  Her also flies in private planes and if, and it is a small if, his house is what you say it has just been made that way after his hypocrisy was exposed.</p>
<p>People want reform and not this because it is BAD.  There are better, less costly options.</p>
<p>And some of your Democrats express the same objections as I so they must be hacks as well.</p>
<p>Darrel, you can play mightier than though but you are a hack who shills for the libs.</p>
<p>You are no freethinker, you are a partisan hack.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bigd:&quot;Americans do not want this.&quot;

DAR
  Americans overwhelmingly want health care reform. To the extent they may not want what is being proposed now, it is largely attributed to the blatant lies and misinformation campaign being put forward by misinformed ideological political hacks, like yourself.

Bigd: &quot;Obama is flying back and forth to Copenhagen&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  This is Bigd pretending that Obama is being a hypocrite if he doesn&#039;t travel by bicycle or row boat when he works to address climate change. Absurd + stupid.

Bigd: &quot;I will not be dictated to by people like Gore who use 20 times the average family.&quot;&gt;&gt;

DAR
  Again with the lies. Unlike you or &quot;the average family&quot; Al Gore&#039;s carbon foot print is ZERO. He lives in an award winning energy efficient home and...

&quot;In his private life, Gore tries to reduce his emissions as much as possible. He drives a hybrid, flies commercially whenever he can, and purchases green power. In the few instances where work has demanded that he travel privately, he purchases carbon offsets for the emissions.&quot;
--Spokesperson responding to a smear campaign by Hannity in &#039;07

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/16/hannity-gore/

We&#039;ll see how much you really need your SUV when gas is $5 a gallon. I bet you&#039;ll come to find that a front wheel drive hybrid gets you to church on time just fine. Even if the higher cost of gas doesn&#039;t wake you up to this reality, it will for enough other people that we will find these gas hogs become a scarce commodity (plus the huge tax subsidy is now gone). If you find you do need a Hummer, you can always order one from China.

D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bigd:&#8221;Americans do not want this.&#8221;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Americans overwhelmingly want health care reform. To the extent they may not want what is being proposed now, it is largely attributed to the blatant lies and misinformation campaign being put forward by misinformed ideological political hacks, like yourself.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;Obama is flying back and forth to Copenhagen&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  This is Bigd pretending that Obama is being a hypocrite if he doesn&#8217;t travel by bicycle or row boat when he works to address climate change. Absurd + stupid.</p>
<p>Bigd: &#8220;I will not be dictated to by people like Gore who use 20 times the average family.&#8221;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>DAR<br />
  Again with the lies. Unlike you or &#8220;the average family&#8221; Al Gore&#8217;s carbon foot print is ZERO. He lives in an award winning energy efficient home and&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In his private life, Gore tries to reduce his emissions as much as possible. He drives a hybrid, flies commercially whenever he can, and purchases green power. In the few instances where work has demanded that he travel privately, he purchases carbon offsets for the emissions.&#8221;<br />
&#8211;Spokesperson responding to a smear campaign by Hannity in &#8217;07</p>
<p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/16/hannity-gore/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/16/hannity-gore/</a></p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see how much you really need your SUV when gas is $5 a gallon. I bet you&#8217;ll come to find that a front wheel drive hybrid gets you to church on time just fine. Even if the higher cost of gas doesn&#8217;t wake you up to this reality, it will for enough other people that we will find these gas hogs become a scarce commodity (plus the huge tax subsidy is now gone). If you find you do need a Hummer, you can always order one from China.</p>
<p>D.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a degree in science as well but it is medicine.  However, there are plenty of scientists who disagree.  What I say is that it is not settled.

And the recent events show that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a degree in science as well but it is medicine.  However, there are plenty of scientists who disagree.  What I say is that it is not settled.</p>
<p>And the recent events show that.</p>
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