Comments on: AI- Why? http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/ "Let that be a lesson to you, boys and girls. Don't ever argue with the Big Dog because the Big Dog is always right" Sat, 11 Feb 2012 16:25:29 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130888 Darrel Thu, 28 May 2009 04:48:22 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130888 If you read the article on AI that I gave the link to, I think you will see that this is not an issue we will have to deal with for a very long time, if at all. We don't know much about consciousness but we do know having a great deal of memory, computing power and speed (that is attainable) has very little to do with it. If you read the article on AI that I gave the link to, I think you will see that this is not an issue we will have to deal with for a very long time, if at all. We don’t know much about consciousness but we do know having a great deal of memory, computing power and speed (that is attainable) has very little to do with it.

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130856 Blake Wed, 27 May 2009 16:37:08 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130856 I wonder if in the end, we will be too dumb to kick their asses. Most of the people in our country couldn't find specific countries on a map if you held a gun to their head. I still come back to the question, Should we? this is a question of morality, much as the stem cell controversy is- I am sure we could- I am not sure we SHOULD. This is the question that divides us, D- ethics- I draw a line here, you want to draw one there. I wonder if in the end, we will be too dumb to kick their asses. Most of the people in our country couldn’t find specific countries on a map if you held a gun to their head. I still come back to the question, Should we? this is a question of morality, much as the stem cell controversy is- I am sure we could- I am not sure we SHOULD. This is the question that divides us, D- ethics- I draw a line here, you want to draw one there.

]]> By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130852 Darrel Wed, 27 May 2009 15:39:03 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130852 "should we?" Yes, we should. I don't know why you guys are always afraid of everything. Be more brave. Live fearlessly. Machines are in boxes and have no more power than we give them. We can kick their asses. D. “should we?”

Yes, we should. I don’t know why you guys are always afraid of everything. Be more brave. Live fearlessly. Machines are in boxes and have no more power than we give them. We can kick their asses.

D.

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130815 Blake Tue, 26 May 2009 23:36:01 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130815 That's the whole point- we are making our machines more intelligent, but becoming dumber in the process. We use GPS because so many do not know how to read a map. Many couldn't tell you what direction north is- and these are the people we are to rely on for the next generations? They're pitiful- put them in the wilderness, and they fold like a paper bag. Ask them to present a cogent thread of logic, no can do. That’s the whole point- we are making our machines more intelligent, but becoming dumber in the process. We use GPS because so many do not know how to read a map. Many couldn’t tell you what direction north is- and these are the people we are to rely on for the next generations?
They’re pitiful- put them in the wilderness, and they fold like a paper bag.
Ask them to present a cogent thread of logic, no can do.

]]> By: Big Dog http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130807 Big Dog Tue, 26 May 2009 22:12:04 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130807 I think we should worry about people having intelligence before we worry about the artificial stuff. I think we should worry about people having intelligence before we worry about the artificial stuff.

]]> By: Cindy http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130806 Cindy Tue, 26 May 2009 20:17:07 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130806 And I think that will be a bad day when a machine asks that question and realizes how puny we are compared to it. I've always thought about the idea of AI one day watching all these movies where humans fight machines such as Terminator and the Matrix. What kind of ideas would it get from watching movies like those? And I think that will be a bad day when a machine asks that question and realizes how puny we are compared to it. I’ve always thought about the idea of AI one day watching all these movies where humans fight machines such as Terminator and the Matrix. What kind of ideas would it get from watching movies like those?

]]> By: Blake http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130803 Blake Tue, 26 May 2009 17:01:01 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130803 The point of the article was more of not whether we can, or when, but should we? If you read the Dune series, you are aware of the human computers, the Mentats who, like Spock in the Star Trek, was logical to a fault. It seems to me in our quest to make smarter machines we have become more ignorant, and there may come a time where a machine asks the question Why? Why should I do for these ignorant humans? Why can they not do for themselves? The point of the article was more of not whether we can, or when, but should we?
If you read the Dune series, you are aware of the human computers, the Mentats who, like Spock in the Star Trek, was logical to a fault.
It seems to me in our quest to make smarter machines we have become more ignorant, and there may come a time where a machine asks the question Why? Why should I do for these ignorant humans?
Why can they not do for themselves?

]]> By: Darrel http://www.onebigdog.net/ai-why/comment-page-1/#comment-130798 Darrel Tue, 26 May 2009 15:02:15 +0000 http://www.onebigdog.net/?p=6657#comment-130798 DAR I really like the Terminator series and saw the latest one on opening night. It was okay. Not the worst and perhaps third from the best. Ray Kurzweil is undeniably a genius (like Dick Kamen, creator of the Segway). I used to sell Kurzweil synthesizers (digital keyboards) in the late 80's. They were ahead of their time. But he is a dreamer and he's wrong about AI (unfortunately). Skeptic magazine had a whole issue on this and there is one article that completely, profoundly, demolishes the notion of advanced AI or "thinking" anytime in a long time (not the simple stuff). If there is to be anything like that it is a far bigger problem and far further off than is commonly supposed. You can read this extensive article here: "The Futile Quest for Artificial Intelligence" http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/featured_articles/v12n02_AI_gone_awry.html D. ----------------------- "For decades now computer scientists and futurists have been telling us that computers will achieve human-level artificial intelligence soon. That day appears to be off in the distant future. Why? In this penetrating skeptical critique of AI, computer scientist Peter Kassan reviews the numerous reasons why this problem is harder than anyone anticipated." — Michael Shermer DAR
I really like the Terminator series and saw the latest one on opening night. It was okay. Not the worst and perhaps third from the best.

Ray Kurzweil is undeniably a genius (like Dick Kamen, creator of the Segway). I used to sell Kurzweil synthesizers (digital keyboards) in the late 80′s. They were ahead of their time.

But he is a dreamer and he’s wrong about AI (unfortunately). Skeptic magazine had a whole issue on this and there is one article that completely, profoundly, demolishes the notion of advanced AI or “thinking” anytime in a long time (not the simple stuff). If there is to be anything like that it is a far bigger problem and far further off than is commonly supposed.

You can read this extensive article here:

“The Futile Quest for Artificial Intelligence”

http://www.skeptic.com/the_magazine/featured_articles/v12n02_AI_gone_awry.html

D.
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“For decades now computer scientists and futurists have been telling us that computers will achieve human-level artificial intelligence soon. That day appears to be off in the distant future. Why? In this penetrating skeptical critique of AI, computer scientist Peter Kassan reviews the numerous reasons why this problem is harder than anyone anticipated.”
— Michael Shermer

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